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    Posted by: Not_1_iota 04/02/2008 at 04:45
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    The message is therefore, price yourself reasonably so that you aren't trapped into doing the work for peanuts. Re resources, go to WH Smith and get some SATS workbooks etc that Letts, CGP do for parents to use with their kids. Each week you can focus on a topic and set homework from it.

    TIP: Charge a £10 resource fee lumped in with the first lesson carge, buy the SATS books, give to the parents with receipt and change, so their little darlings will have work to do between tution sessions. That way the resurces are taken care of and you have done parents a favour by buying for them
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    Posted by: Nogal 13/02/2008 at 15:00
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    I was thinking of joining Fleet tutors but wasn't sure about them. Does anyone know how they pay exactly? I see on there website that students can buy lessons in blocks in advance. Does that mean Fleet would pay the tutor for the whole block in advance as they say they bill on the tutor's behalf? Would I need to invoice them or what?!
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    Posted by: Not_1_iota 13/02/2008 at 23:58
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    Fleet are good for steady work with no hassle of collecting money from clients etc.

    The client may negotiate special rates for prepayment with Fleet, but all tutors are paid the same way. You inform Fleet of the hours that you have worked during the last calendar month, and they pay you the cash into your bank account on the 20th of the month.

    Whether the client has paid Fleet or not yet for the tuition is irrelevant as to whether you get paid. For instance, last month I dd something like 18 hours tuition for Fleet. They will pay between £16 and £19 per hour, gross, to me, plus a travel allowance of between £3 and £5 per visit. If the distance is longer, I would insist on a larger travel allowance - Fleet would then check with the client whether they are willing to pay this sum.
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    Posted by: Nogal 14/02/2008 at 10:39
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    That sounds good. I was just looking at their terms and conditions which go on about collecting fees on behalf of the tutor etc. For tax purposes presumably this means the tutor's total revenue per lesson is the amount they collect from the student (£30 or whatever) and then against this the tutor can put expenses such as commission and travel which essentially means taxable revenue is the £16-£19 you mention. Does Fleet provide a remittance advice each month and also invoice you for their commission each month? Presumably if the tutor's self-employed revenue is below the VAT limit then there is no VAT charge on the lessons?

    And if someone buys a block of 10 lessons and then only use 8 of them who gets the money for the 2 unused lessons?!

    Sorry I'm a finance grad but just can't get my head round the way their finances all work! I did email them but they never got back to me.
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    Posted by: piteacher 14/02/2008 at 21:36
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    I'm doing some tutoring live over the web. It’s a simple idea, a pupil and I agree to meet in a virtual classroom. I upload my files/presentations/links and teach on the whiteboard. The audio quality for the teacher and pupil is excellent. It’s like talking to someone next to you and it’s done on a 121 basis. Seems to be working well for the few pupils I have, all maths at KS3/4/5. I'd like to get other subject teachers involved to explore its potential. You would need to have internet access, a few spare hrs per evening and some basic computer skills. Mail me at alancc@alancc.karoo.co.uk. I would also like to hear from anyone with experience of using virtual classrooms for tutoring.
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    Posted by: Not_1_iota 15/02/2008 at 15:36
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    Re post 14: I'll reply to questions point by point.

    "I was just looking at their terms and conditions which go on about collecting fees on behalf of the tutor etc. For tax purposes presumably this means the tutor's total revenue per lesson is the amount they collect from the student (£30 or whatever) and then against this the tutor can put expenses such as commission and travel which essentially means taxable revenue is the £16-£19 you mention."

    Not quite. The client has a contract with Fleet, who then subcontract the work to you. You, as a tutor, are engaged on a contract for services to provide tuition to Fleet's clients at an agreed rate - your income for tax purposes therefore is the £16-19 that Fleet pay to you in respect of this contract. The fees between Fleet and the client is nothing to do with you, or your tax liabilities. Fleet put it in the confusing way that you mention becauuse they make very clear that you are not an employee, but a contractor on a self-employed basis.

    Also, the tutor collects NOTHING in terms of revenue from the client; all payments are made to Fleet, all negotiatons re rates etc are between Fleet and the client. All you do is provide the tuition, and ask the client to sign the sheet confirming dates nd duration. Fleet use your timesheet as a basis to invoice the client, but whether the client pays up promptly or not is nothing to do with you. As long as the tuition has been provided, and you have informed Fleet of the dates and duration by the 4th of the month, they will pay you your dues on the 20th. Whether the client then pays Fleet is Fleet's problem!


    "Does Fleet provide a remittance advice each month and also invoice you for their commission each month?"

    Fleet do provide a remittance advce each month, detailing amounts paid and what for. The amount that they charge to the client is their business, and so commission is an irrelevant issue in this regard. Remember, you handle no money with Fleet, they oay you! It is Personal Tutors that provide a service whereby they introduce a client to you, you negotiate directly with the client to provide tuition services, and you then pay commission to Personal Tutors for each hour of tuition you provide to clients that they introduced you to. PT is better than FT, in this regard, because the cash comes to you first (so you may charge the client £30 per hour), you pay the £4.50 commission to PT at the end of the month, and you are left with £25.50. A nice difference to Fleet charging the client £32 per hour and paying you £19!


    "Presumably if the tutor's self-employed revenue is below the VAT limit then there is no VAT charge on the lessons?"

    Tutoring of subjects which are normqlly taught in school is VAT exempt, so the case does not arise.

    "And if someone buys a block of 10 lessons and then only use 8 of them who gets the money for the 2 unused lessons?!"

    You get paid the agreed rate for every hour of tuition you do. Whether the client has prepaid for 10 lessons and used them all or not is not relevant to you, because they have formed an arrangement with Fleet Tutors, not with you. You would simply be paid for the 8 hours of tuition that you have provided.

    "Sorry I'm a finance grad but just can't get my head round the way their finances all work! I did email them but they never got back to me."

    Fleet Tutors are good at the simple things, like allocating work to you and paying you on time. their work has grown massovely over the past couple of years, and clients have informed me that sometimes they have difficulty contacting Fleet when they want to discuss their accounts. Not my problem! I simply tutor and send the timesheet.

    All your questions indicate you are expecting to tp be very complicated, but it is much simpler than you seem to want it to be. if Fleet give a job to you, at a rate of £X per hour plus £Y for travel per visit, and you work Z hours in a month, the you will get paid, the next month, a total of £X+Y x Z (assuming one hour sessions of tuition). What Fleet have arranged with the client does not affect you one bit! I recommend Fleet as a good intro to tutoring, and good providers of work, but don't forget Personal Tutors, when you will earn more money from them!
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    Posted by: Not_1_iota 15/02/2008 at 15:39
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    My own opinion about online tutoring is there is no demand for it, and no-one wants a disemboded voice over the net rather than a human being.

    Sorry, but i have never heard a parent ask about it or even mention it.
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    Posted by: Not_1_iota 15/02/2008 at 15:43
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    the equation in post 16 should have read:

    (£X+Y)Z

    BIDMAS ERROR IN THE ORIGINAL!
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    Posted by: housesparrow 16/02/2008 at 17:10
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    This has been a very interesting thread. Personal Tutors say that on average they would probably give 50 introductions a year to a tutor. Can anyone who works/has worked for them verify this figure?
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    Posted by: Nogal 17/02/2008 at 15:34
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    Thanks Not_1_Iota for your detailed explanation. I've registered online with them so we'll see what happens!

    I am still slightly confused about a few things although they don't really matter given the pay works out the same whatever!

    On VAT, the rules are now that VAT is chargeable on all private tuition if done by a company. Only if the tuition is made by a self-employed tutor is it tax free. See http://www.taxationweb.co.uk/articles/article.php?id=415

    Fleet tutors don't charge any VAT on their lessons which means either (a) they owe lots of VAT! or more likely (b) the supply of tuition is from the tutor not Fleet. I haven't seen the contract of services you mention which might argue against the latter point, but their terms are pretty clear that they work as an agent and collect fees and their commission on behalf of the tutor etc.

    Of course if the supply of tuition is from the tutor directly to the student then they work just like the other company you mentioned but do all the billing etc themsevles. Taxable revenue for the tutor then would stricly speaking be the full lesson fee paid to Fleet???


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