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Advice for young female teacher please! where is best to work in s.e. asia?

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    Posted by: Emilie 04/03/2008 at 14:50
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    Hi!

    I taught in Jakarta, Indonesia for 2 years and had a great time although I did, after a while, begin to wonder whether I would be doing much dating although that was not an expectation when I went out there. I was more interested in the experience of living in Indonesia and having the opportunity to see lots of SE Asia. Most female teachers ended up leaving after 5 years or so because their biological clock started ticking and they were concerned they wouldn't find a man. Irony is that when you reach your mid 30's you just don't date much anyway even in Europe (where I am now) unless you are into all that Internet dating stuff.
    So I would say go for any country in SE Asia really. They are all interesting and the real challenge will be whether you want to be an expat for long. Life can be a bit false and shallow but if you are reasonably level-headed and pick the right friends you will have lots of fun and see expat life for what it is.

    Good luck deciding!

    Emilie
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    Posted by: candyflosscarla 15/04/2008 at 13:21
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    I can only speak about Thailand and its suitablilty for a woman as it is the only asian country I have worked in. A lot depends on your status when you arrive. If you arrive with a husband/long term boyfriend then you will stand more chance of not being lonely and getting those needs met that a man is more than willing to fulfil. If you arrive as a single woman then things get much more complicated. Most western women do not find thai men sexually appealing so instantly there are less men available. On the other hand most western men are running around chasing the local girls. Hence, if you can't compete with the thai girls then the chances are that you will find it hard to find a partner. The competition is tough as most thai girls are slim, attractive and don't have issues with older men. A single western woman is really up against it and many turn bitter. I was lucky as I was in a long term relationship.

    If you do go to Thailand then taking a supply of underwear and swim suits is a good idea. It is hard to get a bra bigger than a B cup. On the other hand it can be a good excuse to go up to BKK to do some shopping.

    Thailand is a very safe place and I have never felt threatened. Obviously, one uses a bit of common sense as there has been the odd incident of assaults on women.

    I love Thailand and have no plans to leave but it isn't for everyone. Don't come to Thailand looking for a man - bring him with you.

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    Posted by: Thormaturge 15/04/2008 at 19:06
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    I agree entirely with Cant_buy_a_thrill. A well informed post IMHO.

    My professional work here (Thailand) has brought me into contact with more female teachers than male, and many of the single ladies sadly leave before completing their contracts. Positive points are the food, personal security and low accommodation costs, whilst negative points are lack of social life, corruption and often less-than-subtle racism. HK seems to be a popular starting point out here.

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    Posted by: Rosi3R3d 18/04/2008 at 18:31
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    littleblue monkey...

    made any decisions?

    I'm in a very similar position. I have recently applied to several jobs, particularly schools in China. I'm just waiting to hear of my progress.
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    Posted by: littlebluemonkey 21/04/2008 at 12:53
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    Thanks for the advice everyone.

    Rosi3R3d...

    Ive been offered a job in bangkok at an international school with a v.good reputation. (yes, i have taken on board the advice of female posters about bangkok but im taking the risk, reckon i can make do without a man for a while)Waiting on the contract to arrive, was all ready to start packing my bags and then a family emergency has made me rethink things. Im sure ill still take the job but im glad i havent signed the contract yet, could do with a bit more time. U had any luck?
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    Posted by: castlegreystoke 21/04/2008 at 13:47
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    You spent hours researching the threads? Amazing and hard to believe.

    Your priority is to find a good school that treats staff well and pays on time. You might not get the chance to be too picky. Bad school and you will probably be very unhappy where ever you go. So I would spread the net wide then see what offers come in. Check the schools out.

    Warning though. In places where sex tourism is big it creates mistrust between male and female staff consequently a rather unhealthy situation for friendships?

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    Posted by: heather78 09/02/2009 at 17:39
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    i have been offered a job at a large well known school in shanghai. was wondering how the government restrictions and cruelty to animals and people affect the day to day life of an expat on a school campus thanks
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    Posted by: Tangchao 12/02/2010 at 03:42
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    Thought I might give a man's perspective on this.

     Yes, it is certainly true, many Western women come to Asia and find their stakes in the dating game have dropped consderably. The opposite is true for Western men.

    I think what it comes down to is this (although I am sure there are a lot of cynical women who will have a more negative perspective):

    1. Western men really, really appreciate the way Eastern women treat them. They keep the house clean, cook, wash and iron without any complaints whatsoever. My current girlfriend here wakes up before me and lays my work clothes on the bed and has a coffee waiting on the coffee table every morning. Ah, bliss. Of course, there is also their great figures, beautiful skin, raven hair and those eyes! Also, the difference in culture and language makes them very interesting and exotic. There is always something to talk with them about if you are into learning languages and cultures. Being able to get a point across that would take three seconds with a Western woman can take a fair deal of time with her Oriental counterpart. When you have got that point across, there is enormous satisfaction on both sides.

    2. Eastern women really, really appreciate the way Western men treat them. They open doors for them, talk to them with great respect, do not grope them and generally treat them as equals. On a more risque note, acts in the bedroom tend to be reciprocated. Western men in Asia have a reputation as gentlemen who will not shirk their responsibilities as a fathers. Of course, there is also their white skin (a sign of status and extremely desirable in Asia), blue eyes, peaked noses and strong jaw lines. Needless to say, the fact that all Westerners are perceived as wealthy (which is true) also helps a lot.

     My perspective is that Oriental women offer a lot of competition to Western women and vis-a-vis as Oriental men seldom give us much competition.

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    Posted by: panpacific 14/02/2010 at 03:25
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    How depressing! I don’t think you have to be a cynical western woman to see the negatives in the above post. So Thai women are preferred by western men because the hard won sense of equality that generally exists in western/western relationships, such as sharing household chores is absent (and of course the Thai ladies are slim)

    Your ‘current’ girlfriend (I wonder how many have come, cleaned and gone before her) is cherished because she pampers you and is physically attractive, fair enough, but no mention of love, loyalty, trust, fun, mutual esteem and respect. You admit in your post that conversations of any depth are very time consuming due to the language barrier. I have observed myself on many social occasions Thai ladies being completely ignored by their western partners for hours on end whilst they chat to cynical western women, and they certainly don’t seems to be treated as equals as you suggest but pretty trophies.

    Before I am accused of being bitter I thankfully have a husband who has all of the attributes you mention in a western man but who also sees beyond my lack of cooking skills and appreciates mine. However I do feel for my funny, intelligent, kind & successful single female friends who can't get a look in.

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    Posted by: yasimum 14/02/2010 at 11:36
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     Honestly, why would they want a look in with those types?  Yuck.  I have a Thai friend whose son has been at school with my daughter since Kindy.  Obviously, the reciprocal acts in the bedroom (WTF does that mean anyway, that western/western couple don't?????) lost their sparkle, her English ex has treated her appallingly.  He has virtually trapped her here for years as he won't sign the papers to let her take her son to visit her family.  The son is now 11 and his grandparents have never seen him.

    We also have many Filipina women who marry men much older and uglier than them.  Do you guys really think they marry you for the wonderful sex or conversation???  Please!  Most of these poor women will do anything to escape the grinding poverty they experience in their countries and to help support their families, God help them.

     I'm sure there are love matches in some relationships but I don't think they are in the majority.

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