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    Posted by: b_m 27/10/2009 at 07:56
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    I would be interested to hear what schools are doing to manage access to ICT during non lesson times.

    For a long time, one or more ICT rooms have been open at break and lunch, and the library also has been open. Although the library is the "designated" area, it has only 22 computers and is always full. Hence the ICT rooms being open also.

    Our library has now been closed for building work- likely to be ongoing until Christmas, so those computers are no longer available. SLT have asked us to "manage ICT access for the pupils", which is basically their way of formalising the arrangement to keep the ICT rooms open.

    We've asked for a minor concession in terms of being taken off the main duties rota, using the argument that we effectively do duty every break and lunch in keeping the ICT rooms open. This has been refused.

    Evidently the simple solution is we close the rooms- but in order to have an informed discussion with SLT I would be interested to hear what other schools do to manage this problem.

    Also, what is your school position on other subjects sending kids down to the ICT rooms at break/ lunch/ after school to do coursework. I really dislike having pupils working in the room after school on, for example, Geography coursework, without a Geography teacher in sight. I'm tempted to say that if other departments wish to send pupils to ICT rooms after school, they school book and supervise the room in the normal way. After all, I'm not going to send an ICT student to work in a Geography classroom am I?!?

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    Posted by: Michele124 27/10/2009 at 08:39
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    If others are sending students then you need to request they have someone in the ICT room. The Library always has an assistant and when you are ICT then fine. A student on their own as part of your policy would state that students must be looked after. Those teachers have to be there with the students. You need to look at your school computer use policy in your ICT suites. One place I worked at left the students to work on thier own and they got in and stole all the RAM a few years back. So, if you do not stand up for a member of staff being their while they use it, you are setting yourself up for an incident in the long run.

    As for clubs, you can say it is staying open for the club slots. If you library is now closed, why can the library assistant not cover those lunch times like they used to? You do not need to say no and you can close them. Once again if they want it open, they need to assign someone to it, i.e your library assistant who might be doing nothing now the refurb is happening?

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    Posted by: Michele124 27/10/2009 at 08:41
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    ps, I have a headcold. hope that makes sense.!

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    Posted by: HelenLou 27/10/2009 at 08:54
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     If they are expecting you to staff it then they are breaking European working law. You are entitled to lunch breaks etc

     

    Our school get round that by offering free lunches from the canteen to those who do a lunch duty. (I suppose that depends on how good your canteen is LOL)

     

    I refuse to open ICT rooms at lunchtime on a formal basis, me and my dept are entitled to a break and they wouldnt ask a maths teacher to open a maths classroom! So just because we teach ICT why should we.

     

    If my dept choose to open their rooms on an informal basis then that is their choice. But we never ask them to.  Our rooms are often available after school as we are all often marking/planning etc and pupils (mainly KS4) will drop in to use a machine for an hour or so but again its on the understanding that when we have to/want to go we are not guilted in to staying.

     

    Gosh Ive read that back and it sounds incredibly jobsworth, when I was an NQT I would have bent over backwards but I have learnt in recent years that we should not be guilted in to doing extra unpaid work. Infact I suffer from really bad RSI and my occupational therapist instructed me to ensure I always take lunch and tea breaks. Not just to stop me using a machine for too long but because RSI is often linked to stress and we all need that downtime in the middle of the day. 


     

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    Posted by: McDiploma 27/10/2009 at 12:52
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    Don't give up your breaks and lunchtimes for this! If they try to move them to different times, say no - you like the opportunity to socialise with colleagues. Just dig your heals in and say no - they can't force you, only bully you into doing it.

    The helpful suggestion you should make is that they use a TA / CS in there, as it doesn't require the skills of a teacher in the room. If they choose to ignore your advice, that's their lookout.

    Senior Managers at schools are becoming bigger and bigger bullies these days. Just say no.

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    Posted by: b_m 27/10/2009 at 13:30
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    Michele124:

    As for clubs, you can say it is staying open for the club slots. If you library is now closed, why can the library assistant not cover those lunch times like they used to? You do not need to say no and you can close them. Once again if they want it open, they need to assign someone to it, i.e your library assistant who might be doing nothing now the refurb is happening?

    Thanks Michele,

    What you say makes sense- sort of. I actually misled people with my first post, the library per se isn't closed, just the "computer bit" as it commonly gets called. So the librarian is still, quite rightly, in the library.

    Using TA's etc isn't practical, we don't have enough, they are timetabled every lesson and so are entitled to the break and downtime as much as anyone else.

    I think we might just close them, and every time a kid complains they can't get on a computer, send them to speak to the member of SLT who is making these awful decisions. That might hammer the point home.

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    Posted by: b_m 27/10/2009 at 13:32
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    HelenLou:
    If my dept choose to open their rooms on an informal basis then that is their choice. But we never ask them to.  Our rooms are often available after school as we are all often marking/planning etc and pupils (mainly KS4) will drop in to use a machine for an hour or so but again its on the understanding that when we have to/want to go we are not guilted in to staying. 

    Thanks for the input. Question about the after school access- is it only for kids doing IT related work, or can anyone come in there (doing any subject) and use the machines?

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    Posted by: HelenLou 27/10/2009 at 15:07
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     I have to say it is normally the IT kids that stop back but if pupils from another subject area turn up and Im in the room anyway then I have no problem with them stopping as long as they aren't dicking about and don't keep asking me questions when Im trying to work. But as I mentioned if I need/want to go then I will kick them out.

     

    If I need to go and the other rooms aren't open I often direct them to the local library.

     

    I have to say my school is very good, they don't seem to mind.

     

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    Posted by: McDiploma 27/10/2009 at 15:43
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    "Using TA's etc isn't practical, we don't have enough". There isn't enough and it isn't practical because that is the choice your SMT made, not you. This is what is meant by them bullying teachers and then trying to send you on a guilt trip. If you keep saying yes, or keep giving in to every 'request' made by your SMT, then they will never resolve the core issue - they need more TAs or CSs. Also, it sets a bad example to other teachers who are trying to resist similar pressures - your SMT can and will say, 'But so and so is doing it .." Stay calm. Keep the voice monotone. Make a suggestion about the wayforward so you are seen to be positive, but say no to you doing it. Keep the ball firmly in their court. Lastly, remember that you SMT have every right to ask you to do anything. Just as you have the right to say no to everything. You have a responsibility to yourself, your family and your colleagues to ensure a worklife balance. Not having proper breaks will over time stress you out, knacker you and make you a pooer teacher / person / family member. 

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    Posted by: gavcradd 27/10/2009 at 17:10
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    We have the rooms open every lunchtime from 12.30 - 1.00pm. However, it's strictly for ICT work only and anyone doing Maths / Art / Geography etc gets kicked out. Originally, this policy caused a few problems but we argued that if Geography wanted to set homework using ICT, then they'd better open up their room, monitor it and supervise the kids. They didn't, obviously. As for keeping check on it, we have student ICT supervisors on a rota, they give up one lunchtime a fortnight to supervise and in return they get a badge on their blazer, a little bit of power, something for their CV and an end of term party.
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