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Oops I meant to add: don't for one minute think this is a one off isolated incident. It is a regular occurence.
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You have a point. However, take a look at some of the decisions/judgements made in UK against violent offenders. Many of these are plainly stupid and unfair on the victim. Legal loopholes in UK are also to blame for many violent criminals getting away, sometimes literally, with murder.
Although not as blatantly unjust or immoral as this Saudi case, they also have a lot to answer for.
Violent crime in UK is probably worse and more common in UK than in Saudi, its just seen as part of everyday British culture.
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clovis 23/05/2008 at
13:24
You are of course right Stopwatch, for the vast majority of people living in the KSA, or any other M.E country, life is indeed much better than in the UK or Western Europe. When I say vast majority, I mean people like your goodself, a lowly paid ex-pat teacher, or the parents of the children who send their kids to your school. They, of course, make up the vast majority of the people residing in those countires. For the minority, people like maids, nannies, road sweepers, taxi drivers, chambermaids etc etc life is just tickety boo as well.
Personally, I believe that standards of justice and 'fair play', or indeed genuine democracy, are far from perfect in the UK or Europe, but they are streaks ahead of the M.E or KSA. You think differently Stopwatch. Oh, by the way, I was being ever so slightly facetious in my first paragraph.
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Thank you for your response.
I still disagree with you.
Only I wont stoop to be as facetious as you.
You basically reiterated what I said and little more.
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and by the way I dont think differently. my comments related to violent crime in both countries and how it is dealt with, not about democracy. The level of violence in UK is streaks ahead and unfortunately it is not always punished effectively.
I know KSA is not a democratic country, it is a police state, and I am not a KSA 'sympathiser' by any means.
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clovis 23/05/2008 at
17:33
What a load of twaddle you do'th spout Stopwatch, you are not a KSA sympathiser, pull the other one.
The OP makes a commnet about the lack of rights for migrant workers in the KSA, and you try and draw a paralled with the UK by saying how bad violent crime is in the UK. Can't quite see the connection myself.
You certainly appear go out of your way to paint a bad picture of the UK.....hence your comments.... 'Violent crime in UK is probably worse and more common in UK than in Saudi, its just seen as part of everyday British culture' and 'The level of violence in UK is streaks ahead and unfortunately it is not always punished effectively'. So I think any reasonable person would see that you are castigating the UK as a whole, not a particular incident, but as a whole.
Now, let's compare this with your take on the KSA. You comment in post 3 ...' Although not as blatantly unjust or immoral as this Saudi case', I note you mention the word case, thus not making a general statement about the KSA, but just this case. As the OP points out, the abuse is not an uncommon occurance in the KSA.
But hey Stopwatch, whenever anyone makes a negative comment about the KSA... do step in and make nonsensical comparisons as a means to denigrate the UK and thus make the KSA not seem so bad... and then do go on to pretend you are not a KSA sympathiser. I will continue to believe you are full of poppy cock.
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In the words of my daughter - whatever!
You have your opinion and I have mine - end of story. I have made my point. Don't bother trying to interpret what I am saying to your own ends.
Im not that bothered whether you understand what I am trying to say or where I am coming from, and I certainly dont intend trying to justify what I am saying to you.
If you want a verbal dual with someone, go somewhere else and have it.
By all means respond.
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Do your time in Saudi, Stopwatch, and earn your money, I don't blame anyone for doing that, but try to retain the integrity to see the place for what it is. As it is, as well as giving up a large chunk of your life, you seem to have conceded a part of your critical faculties. Pitiful.
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clovis 23/05/2008 at
19:44
The point you managed to make is that the UK is more violent than the KSA, oh, and that you are not a sympathiser for the KSA.
You do mention that violent crime is not dealt with effectively in the UK, although you don't say how it is dealt with in the KSA,
You of course don't have to justify yourself to me. Thank god for that I'd say, because if you had to you'd fail miserably.
You do have your opinion, that violent crime is worse in UK than in KSA. However, you do not respond to the OP's original post or the BBC's news item. I wonder why that is.....oh yes........because you DON'T sympathise with the KSA..........I forgot. I prefer talk to the hand 'coz the face ain't listening......but whatever will do. Do carry on justifying the KSA, you do it so well.
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