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Legal Recourse for OTT who have gotten used, abused, and shafted

Last post 07/04/12 at 16:41 by Karvol, 37 replies
Post started by hollybridge on 25/11/08 at 12:26

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    Posted by: hollybridge 25/11/2008 at 12:26
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    Any information would be appreciated.  With all the complaints on here it seems like a class action suit would be appropriate.  This is, after all, a country of law and justice.  Or should be. If there is any interest I will open an email account and you can show interest by sending me a brief note about your 'used, abused or shafted' story.  Show your interest by responding briefly to this post.  In a month, if it gets to ten I think we should talk to a lawyer.

    I think a lot of false information is given to OTT teachers during the interview.

    I think that too many schools are using OTT teachers and then wishing them well in four years.

    I think that because OTT teachers are paid much less than QTS teachers that they are being exploited.

    I think that not much is done for supporting OTT teachers after being employed.

    I think the system may have been set up for the express purpose of exploitation

    I think that SMT disregard issues of OTT.

    I think OTT are too often given the very worst forms and duties.

    But this is just my personal experience. 

     

     

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    Posted by: BigFrankEM 25/11/2008 at 20:57
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    One of many problems with "abroad" is that "it isn´t like the USA".

     

    One specific example.

     

    There is no such thing as a "class action" in England.

     

    Not even in that part of "Northern England" which quaintly retains its own legal system; more or less.

     

    I am always curious about the question; how do OTT compare their experiences to those of the natives?

    To some extent the answer, at least in this post is obvious. Worse. Much worse.

     

     

    Perhaps I could alter the question ever so slightly; What does the OP think of the conditions in English schools for the  local (teaching) populace?

     

     And a very slight variant; What does the OP think of the reaction of the local (teaching) populace to the conditions under which they are expected to work in local schools?

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    Posted by: hollybridge 26/11/2008 at 17:20
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    There is no recourse for groups of people who have been harmed by the same incident, product, law, policy, etc.?  Now I know why they put the '24 people killed on this road in the last three years' sign is about.  Don't have to fix the dangerour road! 

    OTT are recruited with the proviso that no British resident is available (or willing) to fill the job.  By this it is apparent that OTT teachers are not exactly given the sweetest positions.

    ummm I forgot what else you were talking about... no memory at all.

    Instead of fixing the schools so that British people will be eager to be teachers.... Lets just put up an ad for OTT!  AHAH! 

     

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    Posted by: Karvol 26/11/2008 at 20:53
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    Hmmm... As on OTT teacher working in Switzerland a couple of things come to mind. First and foremost is that no-one forces you to work in the UK. If you don't like it you can leave and find another school or country which is more to your liking. That is what I and many thousands of others have done over the years. What on earth makes you think that the UK owes you anything? As you have stated you are an OTT. Why didn't you stick around and teach where you did your training if you felt it was so fantastic?
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    Posted by: BigFrankEM 26/11/2008 at 21:14
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    Not only "no memory at all" but also

     

     

    ................no answers to 2 moderately straight forward questions.

     

    To repeat one of my original points, one of the ways in which you can recognise "abroad" is "it is different from home" which can also be expressed as "it is not the same as home".

     

     

    E.g. no class actions; neither for dodgy  pharmaceutical products, nor for dodgy hiring policies nor even for dodgy roads. 

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    Posted by: SNaidoo 30/11/2008 at 13:00
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    I'm hoping that somebody would have some idea about this. I am currently working at a school in East London. When I was approached by the school with an offer of employment I had reservations due to the distance and set up of the department. I informed them that I also required a work permit. The head assured me that they would apply for my work permit and offered me a chance to opt out in December if the travel etc. was too taxing. Due to various reasons I am trying to leave this school at the end of December, however, the school is now refusing to provide me with a work permit unless I stay on longer. They are only prepared to give me the work permit at the end of this extended period. Does anyone have a clue about the Leaglity of this as I have been unable to get any word from my union about this.

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    Posted by: Karvol 30/11/2008 at 23:55
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    If you are not going to be working at the school they really have no need to supply you with a work permit. If you want my advice, keep quiet and make the right noises until you get your work permit. Then apply for jobs elsewhere.
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    Posted by: anap 23/12/2008 at 12:19
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    The UK owes me nothing - but not all of us are immigrants with no link to the UK. My husband would appreciate being able to 'stay at home' for awhile, and as his wife is the main earner of the household it provides a slight dilemma. My links with this country are all my grandparents and great grand parents are from here. I don't feel that I don't belong. But if the brick wall can't be got through, we will leave. Also some of us aren't so mobile. I have children settled in schools. 'Sorry kids new country, this one doesn't need or want us'. And actually I don't quite believe that. I've brought expertise and experience which where I am working is needed and feel I have contributed quite a lot.  

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    Posted by: mansonj 09/11/2009 at 15:38
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    The OTT qualification system is an absolute nightmare. I am progressing towards QTS status & my experience has been pretty negative so far. I really dislike the fact that I have to prove I can teach, prove I can manage a classroom & prove that my qualifications are real. The fact that I've been teaching for nearly 10 years, the fact that my school in the UK has not only retained me for the last 3 years but have also promoted me to a position of responsibility seem to mean nothing. I feel humiliated that I have observers in lessons almost every other day, I feel insulted when I receive one sentence replies from my appraiser to requests for information or guidance and I feel frustrated that my day-to-day teaching is suffering because I spend so much time writing up pointless reflections that exist only to tick a box on an equally pointless form.

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    I love teaching in the UK, I want to carry on teaching in the UK for at least the next year or so and I understand the need to ensure that all teachers reach the required professional standards of the job. I just don't feel that the OTT qualification process I am working through is the right way to achieve that requirement. Surely a close check of my professional qualifications from back home in NZ, a review of my performance management profile from my employer and a one-off visit from an outside appraiser is enough. Still, I guess that wouldn't create enough jobs for the jobs-worth pedants who seem to have designed and administered this pointless exercise in humiliation and glorified box-ticking.

     

    And.

    At least I can consider myself pretty lucky; I've found a provider to appraise me - and if worse comes to worse I can always head home or try my luck teaching somewhere else around the world. I guess the best thing to do is keep your head, keep your mouth shout, get through it and count yourself lucky when it's over.

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    Posted by: BigFrankEM 09/11/2009 at 19:27
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    mansonj:

    The OTT qualification system is an absolute nightmare....... I am progressing towards QTS. I want to carry on teaching in the UK for at least the next year or so

    Emphasis added.

     

    Two questions:

     

    a) Can "teachers" who are not legally recognised as "qualified as teachers" (and thus many might argue are not "teachers")  work "as teachers" in your native country; which you do not name here, in the way in which you currently work in this country?

     

    b) In a previous post, number 2 above I think, I asked the OP for his/her opinions on the treatment afforded to local English/British teachers. No reply was forthcoming. I would be interested in your observation on this too, of course, in the light of your sensitivity to the treatment you have received.

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