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Last post 24/04/09 at 15:39 by HelenMyers, 50 replies
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    Posted by: Geekie 19/04/2009 at 08:10
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8005405.stm

    And this is news ?

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    Posted by: mpc 19/04/2009 at 09:54
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    Well, Dancing on Ice is over so Donal MacIntyre needs to fill his time in somehow!

    Wouldn't it be nice to have students who'd be prepared to learn scripts off pat instead of complaining how much there is to revise for languages exams?

    Back to my coursework then....

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    Posted by: El Hombre Sin Nombre 19/04/2009 at 10:33
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    Has anyone seen an Ofqual / QCA dvd that is supposed to be coming to schools showing us how to do tests for the new specification? I wonder how much of that model testing will be unscripted!

    Donal MacIntyre must be a desperate man - he must have targets to meet based on quantity rather than quality. He'll be trying to convince us the world isn't flat for his next project.

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    Posted by: El Hombre Sin Nombre 19/04/2009 at 10:37
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    sorry - is flat!

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    Posted by: marmot.morveux 19/04/2009 at 10:39
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    This article has really annoyed me!

     

    If they don't like it then all orals should be examined by visiting examiners or they should issue us with an unopened packet with the questions inside.

     

    It's always blamed on a lack of professionalism!

     

    MM

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    Posted by: El Hombre Sin Nombre 19/04/2009 at 10:51
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    Why shouldn't foreign language students be able to pre-learn material for an exam?  Are we any different from the likes of music or drama? 

    If Ofqual doesn't like it, why have they insisted that 60% of the new specification is now coursework ... sorry, slap my wrist, controlled assessment?  In reality they know the score and their hidden agenda is to make GCSE languages as accessible as other GCSEs.  It must be an embarrassment to them when some flibbertigibbet reporter sneaks into a meeting like this to 'discover' something that has been common knowledge to anyone with half a brain for the last 15 years!

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    Posted by: marmot.morveux 19/04/2009 at 10:56
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    Yeah, funny you say that Hombre!

     

    I remember when I did my exam in the 90's, learning about 18 sets of answers - I think my students would bulk at that!

     

    MM

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    Posted by: El Hombre Sin Nombre 19/04/2009 at 11:06
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    I have to agree with MM and mpc - having the scope to learn stuff and actually learning it are 2 completely different things. The hardworking do it and the less motivated don't, as with all subjects.

    I find this 'scoop' absolutely bizarre in its triviality.

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    Posted by: HelenMyers 19/04/2009 at 11:19
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    These are really helpful common sense responses.

    The following is a 'repeat' (!) of what I have just written on mflresources, but may help ....

    It's worth reading the whole of the article carefully because within it are highlighted the many conflicting issues at stake here (which actually also affect most other subjects with coursework) around the precise boundaries / limits regarding what help / support / preparation is legitimate. It is significant that the spokesman for OCR said it was malpractice but couldn't point to any specific rule on this point.

    It certainly is not a question that 'we've been rumbled' .. it's that there is a grey, ill-defined area and teachers are left with an invidious responsibility in the absence of clear guidance

    And I am concerned that the same situation will continue for languages AND other subjects with the move to controlled assessment because of the inconsistencies and lack of clarity.

    The risk here is that it becomes a 'when did you stop beating your wife?' type of question which inherently implies you were doing something wrong in the first place.

    Cheating or malpractice would be where there is clear contravention of rules e.g. showing them the role play cards or opening a paper before the specified dates etc. I'd reiterate my point above that it is significant that they could not point to a specific rule.

    It is important that there is a positive response saying that pupils and parents would expect teachers to do their best to prepare pupils within the rules as set by QCA, Ofqual and the exam boards and nothing in this investigation contravenes the rules.

    There is a quite separate issues as to whether the rules should be different or more tightly framed - but that is a quite separate issue.

    The other point is to say that it is a similar situation in other subjects with coursework etc. as to how much do teachers help / give guidance etc.

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    Posted by: El Hombre Sin Nombre 19/04/2009 at 11:33
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    You're absolutely right, Helen. I think the OCR spokesman is wrong when he quotes 'malpractice'. The rules do not prevent teachers from preparing candidates in this way and it therefore cannot be deemed malpractice. The worst you could say is that it is 'against the spirit of the exam', but that is meaningless.

    In the new specs I think the guidelines are a bit more closely defined, but in the end it will all come down to students learning material by heart and I see nothing wrong with that.

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