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    Posted by: spc 12/06/2009 at 20:30
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    Any schools out there using this for delivery of ICT, I know that some BSF schools have to use this, how effective is this for delivery of GCSE / Alevel courses. This is being explored for core provision. Would like other schools comment / experiences. Cheers, SPC
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    Posted by: HappyHippy 12/06/2009 at 23:45
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    We have a mix of PCs, Thin Clients and Macs. The main Thin Client suite is brilliant for Office applications, can handle a small-ish number of users running Fireworks or a full room runnning Paint.Net. Flash playback is OK, but not perfect. Video editing has not been tried but it runs poorly across the network on PCs, so TCs would almost certainly be out of the question. The audio is switched off so not tried recording/editing audio but suspect the network would struggle with lots of concurrent users.

    I teach in there sometimes, and for most of that time it is brilliant. It does frustrate me though that I cannot use Google Sketchup, Alice, Flash and other multimedia applications in there. Benefits and drawbacks - and if you do go TC then I wold recommend a HEALTHY number of alternative machines for the more powerful/video intensive work.
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    Posted by: djphillips1408 13/06/2009 at 11:40
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    All the places I have seen it it has been a dogs breakfast as just runs too slowly. I have no doubt that under a good network team who understand how to run a TC system and the kit required to make it work then it can work. However if it's a non specialist forcing governors etc to go down this route then make damn sure you have a water tight contract with your TC provider in place that you can throw back in their faces if the thing runs as slowly as I have seen in the past.

    Personally I would not take the risk at this moment in time with the technology currently available, and with KS4 courses becoming more and more multimedia driven then that is a factor you should consider very carefullly. As pointed out by HH most video/graphics/audio software are going to struggle on any TC netowrk.

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    Posted by: madcat 13/06/2009 at 11:51
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    The main reason BSF suppliers are pushing this solution is that it makes network admin easier (i.e. cheaper) for them there is no obvious educational advantage

    As others have said, if you just using basic office apps then TC is fine, but you may as well use google docs and netbooks or similar if that is the case.

    Almost anything else runs like a dog ,It is not only all of those useful ICT apps but also anything specialist sketchup, croc clips, autograph etc. etc.

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    Posted by: dokusu 13/06/2009 at 17:52
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    Thin client works fine if there is a proper server set up. it needs lots of little servers rather than a few big'uns for load balancing. Great for apps which are not multimedia and ideal in a lot of depts who want basic ICT. Don't sniff at the great security if offers. Also works a treat on noteboooks. But its part of a solution, not the whole deal.
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    Posted by: myponyislittle 13/06/2009 at 17:54
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    BECTA did some research - be VERY carefull about what applications you want to run - multimedia may be a no-no and given the way the currilcum is going (like it or not), demands for this type of thing will only go up and up. If you think you might do a bit of powerpoint (ha ha) or word processing, fine - anything else...... I would be very carefull you don't spend now and spend later. Be careful also that you get the right decision makers involved (and not someone who wants to get all the glory then b*** off when it all goes T's up) - techs, teachers, budget holders - without all three you're in danger of installing a donkey. There are a lot of environmental reasons for them, support reasons but the MAIN purpose for them has to be central to the choice - they are for kids to learn/use software - do you want to spend money then decide what you teach to fit the technology you have ("Now whose turn is it to record sound - no Julie, you did video last month, you'll have to wait till June or swap your FLASH time!")??

    http://tiny.cc/thinclients

    We've looked at it and decided to hold fire, reuse/revamp what we have for the moment.

     

     

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    Posted by: localzuk 16/06/2009 at 08:22
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     We use thin clients here, for the reason mentioned earlier - easier admin of the network and they're cheaper overall.

     However, we do not use them in the areas where ICT as a subject are taught. The amount of servers at the back end required to do this would reduce the cost effectiveness to nill.

     Instead, they are used in a few clusters around the school for teachers to use with small groups of kids for researching, typing up, using things like Accelerated Reader or similar. We also use them in one of our 3 ICT suites, which is most used by English, History and other similarly wordy subjects. This allows the suite to handle anything that is thrown at them with ease. The most stress they get is the use of Flash games on websites, and they handle that easily.

     We also use them for our admin team, with SIMS.net and the like. Again, so long as they're set up properly and patched against the various glitches that can occur, they work well.

    In total we have around 60 now and they run fine on a 2 server Citrix farm (although we actually run a 3 server farm, for extra expandability in the future, and for that extra bit of redundancy).

     Also note, those numbers are for 32bit Windows 2003 server. 64bit Windows 2008, or the soon to exist 64bit 2008 R2 will be able to handle things a lot better, as you can use an increased amount of RAM. Also remember, if you go down this route, fast disks are essential. If you can spec 15k rpm disks, your servers will thank you for it.

     So, the use of thin clients is a good idea, and a good use of budget in some locations in a school, but definitely not all! Careful planning, including a pilot are essential to get the most out of such a system, and to ensure people get what they expect from it. If you don't plan enough, you'll end up with a bunch of machines that you spec'ed up to be used for Office which a teacher wants to use Autodesk suite on...

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