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Educational Software Online - Am I Right To Be Concerned?

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    Posted by: Grey_Olltwit 24/06/2009 at 12:56
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    I am very concerned with the way educational software is moving as governments around the world seem to be jumping on the bandwagon of educational software being used online be it in VLEs or specific sites.

    I'm an educational software producer and it makes little difference to me whether I make products for use online or offline but I can't help thinking that online presents us with very real dangers in the future. On the one side I can foresee large companies taking sneaky advantage of the fact that they can introduce their products within games or simply on the pages where the games are. Thoughts of coca-cola and big mac rewards for tests completed hover in my mind. Yes I am sure that safety procedures are in place but internet content is changing by the second, so what is safe one day may not be later on.

    On the more worrying front I can see undesirable elements of our society jumping on the same bandwagon for a completely different ride. It wasn't so long ago that we had to surround our schools with high fences and security entry systems and yet here we are apparently opening up the schools to the world-wide web. I noticed the post on Twitter below. Has anyone seen recently how the porn industry is now fully engaging twitter for it's own purposes?

    Sure students seem to have access to all this content even on their ipods, mobiles and at home but as a parent of now grown up children I used to restrict use of the computer for internet use to when I could supervise and warn them of the inherent dangers etc. However, do we want to run the risk of allowing access directly into our classrooms?

    Maybe my concerns are over the top or even unfounded. I'd be interested to hear what others think.

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    Posted by: HappyHippy 24/06/2009 at 13:02
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    The beauty of having a plethora of options is that if an educational software company is producing content that has hidden branded messages then we can simply stop using it and move to something else. Equally, we wouldn't buy a textbook that had a centre spread advert for... well... pretty much anything.

    I wouldn't use Twitter directly with students for the reasons you gave, but I've shown them my feed having asked a question so that they can see the responses rolling in. There are plenty of closed environment (Ning, Yammer, Edmodo to name but a few) where staff can run these kinds of tasks in a walled garden environment if needs be.

    While I keep a weather eye out, I'm not overly concerned.
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    Posted by: becktonboy 24/06/2009 at 18:10
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    I must say I share some of olitwit's concerns in this area. I see where you are coming from HH but in my primary context, I am afraid, a lot of teachers don't have the practised eye that can spot a waste of time or a hidden message. I have tried to provide training on the former and will try to include the latter in future sessions but it can be a bit of an uphill struggle to be honest.

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    Posted by: DEmsley 24/06/2009 at 18:45
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    I too am Appled at the way that these large, small and Micro software companies seem to Mac use of many media to advertise, whether subliminal or blatent we're Dell uged with product placement.

    ... and of course there's no self interest in this thread is there OP?

     

     

     

     

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    Posted by: dhicks 24/06/2009 at 22:09
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    Grey_Olltwit:
    governments around the world seem to be jumping on the bandwagon of educational software being used online be it in VLEs or specific sites.

    Kind of the point of a VLE is that it's under the control of the school - load the exact content you want on to it, let users access it from home or wherever. I'd agree with you that many schools seem to be cheerfully handing their pupils over to some somewhat random websites, though.

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    Posted by: Grey_Olltwit 24/06/2009 at 22:43
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    I am actually genuinely very concerned about the direction software for schools is taking and that was my motive for posting. I'm sorry you believe my motive was one of self interest.

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    Posted by: Grey_Olltwit 24/06/2009 at 22:51
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    dhicks:

    Kind of the point of a VLE is that it's under the control of the school - load the exact content you want on to it, let users access it from home or wherever.

    I understand that but VLEs in the first instance are www based and therefore open to infiltration by hackers and the like, however good your security measures are i.e. Windows 7 has not yet hit the shelves but it has already been successfully hacked and distributed.

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    Posted by: HappyHippy 24/06/2009 at 23:16
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    VLEs are open to infiltration by hackers. Hmmmm. At this point I'm afraid the only argument left is to pack up the PC and lock it away in a cupboard. Don't get me wrong - I appreciate that people should be concerned if they can see a problem - but that particular argument just doesn't hold any water, There are plenty of ways to secure an online system to a very sensible degree and to simply refuse to use one is a very backwards way of looking at it (and while I don't suggest for a second that your post was intended as self promotion, it is interesting that you are prepared to accept payment online).
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    Posted by: Grey_Olltwit 25/06/2009 at 09:27
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    HappyHippy:
    VLEs are open to infiltration by hackers. Hmmmm. At this point I'm afraid the only argument left is to pack up the PC and lock it away in a cupboard. Don't get me wrong - I appreciate that people should be concerned if they can see a problem - but that particular argument just doesn't hold any water, There are plenty of ways to secure an online system to a very sensible degree and to simply refuse to use one is a very backwards way of looking at it (and while I don't suggest for a second that your post was intended as self promotion, it is interesting that you are prepared to accept payment online).

    In retrospect I shouldn't have posted here as it's clear I'm seen as some selfish, uncaring, *** just trying to ply my wares.

    Whilst your reply is rather fatalist you do provide an answer that alleviates my concerns. At the end of my first post I asked if I was over concerned. I am not in schools, in the main I assumed most people here are. I have no idea how secure systems are in schools for this kind of thing, hence my post. I don't want to know the details, just that there are precautions in place to make sure my scenarios don't happen. Before we had fences and door entry systems in schools, I don't think many saw it as a problem that just anyone could walk in when they wanted. It took awful incidents to make us do something i.e. "closing the gate after the horse had bolted".

    I'm not sure what accepting payments online has got to do with it. My website is not intended for child surfers. I don't agree with children having full unsupervised access to the www. My products are for download by adults to be used offline by their children on standalone PC's or closed networks. My market is mainly parents. Schools are out of my league as I'm far too small to buy the necessary licences and accreditations that are needed to compete seriously in that market. Quite a few schools do have some of my programs because they used to be all free a few years ago.

    I apologise for airing my concerns. It's good to know that everything in the garden is rosey and we have nothing to worry about.

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    Posted by: HappyHippy 25/06/2009 at 10:10
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    I had a feeling my post would be taken that way, and that wasn't my intention.

    I'll be honest, I get irate when people spout the 'nothing is safe from hackers' line. Of course nothing is 100% safe, that is obvious. The reason I talked about your online payment system is that if the Internet can be made safe enough for you to accept payments online then I think it's also safe enough to have resources online. You appeared to be suggesting that we shouldn't because VLEs are "open to infiltration by hackers".

    You asked a question, you got a number of responses. I'm not overly concerned, but BecktonBoy is, and that's fine. I might well be wrong, and I'm not arrogant enough to consider myself infallible.

    In response to your walls and such - that was to prevent people physically entering a school (incidentally, we also don't have fences surrounding the school or door entry systems). Providing software packages online is a completely different situation. Yes, we need to be aware - but filtering, firewalls and appropriate choices is generally more than sufficient.
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