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    Posted by: geffone 16/07/2009 at 21:13
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    An inference that it would mean more work for us I think is unfounded and speculative.

    Schools will adapt to the situation. Historically over the last five years not much has happened for us for the positive.

    Agencies paying to scale is history. Schools go for the low paying agencies not the quality agencies. Market Forces ce le vie us.

    LEA supply pools- the question is are LEA's opening supply pools or discontinuing them. In my area there is no LEA pool. So pension contributions pay to scale and all that stuff - forget it.

    Contacting schools directly and short circuiting the agency. Well although some say agencies are leeches however they have provided an efficient locum service for schools and schools choose to use them.

    Schools can be highly restricted by the policy of their LEA in how they deal with providing cover.

    The future for supply is we still have a role in the long term agency/school (the agency found us not the school) booking however the day to day game will be a free for all.

    On the 3 day CS and 2 day QTS supply how can that be incorrect, if the agencies/schools  offer and we take it, realistically anyone who thinks that it does not fit in with some aggreeement or legislation is in cuckhoo land.

    More effort NASWT on research and knowledge of the supply game in the 21st century

     

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    Posted by: geffone 17/07/2009 at 23:25
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    replying to my own post looks like not much interest from anyone ce le vie us supply teachers.

    and ce le vie NASWT for me

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    Posted by: Chris_Keates 23/07/2009 at 21:59
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    The NASUWT is committed to advancing the case for supply teachers and to ending the unfair treatment and exploitation faced by some supply teachers. Indeed, you have raised some important points which highlight the need to reform the way in which the market for supply teachers is managed and regulated. However, I do believe that the move to ‘rarely cover' has the potential to deliver important opportunities for supply teachers. All schools will need to have robust systems in place to manage ‘rarely cover' and, from September, many more schools will be looking to use the important resource provided by supply teachers. However, it is important that the arrangements used by schools provides a fair deal for all supply teachers.

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    Posted by: planetx 24/07/2009 at 00:47
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    Chris_Keates:

    The NASUWT is committed to advancing the case for supply teachers and to ending the unfair treatment and exploitation faced by some supply teachers.

    Such 'commitment' is the reason for my changing membership.

     Indeed, you have raised some important points which highlight the need to reform the way in which the market for supply teachers is managed and regulated.

    The regulation has been handed over to agencies who control recruitment and check CRBs. Schools now compete on price for supply cover and they do it with no complaint from any of the unions. Indeed, some of your members co-ordinate cover and haggle down the supply teacher's cost and therefore salary.

    For many cover managers in schools the term 'cover supervisor' is a generic term that includes cover supervisors and supply teachers. Many of the schools I work in now have their cover ducumentation headed 'cover supervisor' regardless of the status of the person doing the cover. many cover managers are senior cover supervisors with responsibility for managing a school's cover.  This used to be a teacher's job with a tlr or responsibility point.

    However, I do believe that the move to ‘rarely cover' has the potential to deliver important opportunities for supply teachers. All schools will need to have robust systems in place to manage ‘rarely cover' and, from September, many more schools will be looking to use the important resource provided by supply teachers. However, it is important that the arrangements used by schools provides a fair deal for all supply teachers.

     

    You are aware of the number of cover supervisors being recruited.It is being done on a massive scale. Visit any jobcentre and you will find adverts for thousands. Look at the onlne job sites too. You are actively recruiting them into membership. Do the sums. I'm sure you have. You know that rarely cover will result in less, not more work for supply teachers. 

    A common deal now on offer from the agencies in the "three and two" deal. Agencies aren't stupid and can see that they will make less from cover supervisors so they are offering schools and supply teachers the option of three days as a cover supervisor and two as a teacher as a weeks cover.

    This is not charity on the part of the agencies, but a practical business response to a massive reduction in the predicted demand for supply teachers. Realistically, schools are increasingly able to cover a week with a cover supervisor so this strategy may not be that popular.

    Cover supervisors teach. Everyone knows it, including the unions. They do because the only practical way to manage a class is by teaching them, especially in a more difficult school.

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    Posted by: podilato 31/07/2009 at 17:30
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    When unions start to use management speak like 'committed', 'reform', 'potential to deliver', 'robust systems' and 'fair deal' then all hope is lost. Shouldn't they be using union speak like 'in our members interests' or 'taking industrial action'?
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    Posted by: deb2005 01/08/2009 at 23:14
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    "Cover supervisors teach. Everyone knows it, including the unions. They do because the only practical way to manage a class is by teaching them, especially in a more difficult school."

    Do they teach? I have heard many complaints about teachers coming back to school after a day out on a course to find their classroom is a state and they have a pile of discipline issues to deal with...simply because the cover supervisor hasn't had any teacher training and doesn't have the strategies to deal with behaviour and manage a classroom effectively. I've heard stories about cover supervisors being reduced to tears, by classes that are really not that bad! The whole thing is a farce - have you read the adverts? "Cover supervisors" require anything from G.C.S.E.s to a degree and are paid anything from £11,000 - £23,000, all depending on the individual school, it's ridiculous, there's just no regulation. At the end of the day, what actually is a "cover supervisor"? Can we please also remember that while we are allowing unqualified people to be in charge of a classroom, our P.G.C.E. students are not allowed to be left alone in charge of a class until they have their certificate, even though they are way more qualified than cover supervisors...the mind boggles.  

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    Posted by: planetx 02/08/2009 at 00:36
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    deb2005:

    Do they teach?

     

    Some of them may not teach well. Many of them have a lot to learn about classroom management. That's not the point. If they are going to survive in the classroom then they will have to become teachers in respect of what they do, even if their job title and salary is different.

    There are some subjects - ICT for example - which are considered not of sufficient rigour to need a teacher and these are frequently given to cover supervisors as a regular timetable in place of another subject teacher having tobe timetabled for it.

    A number of training films have been made for cover supervisor training and they and the traning itself includes lesson preparation, delivery of lessons - starters, main, plenary, working with a class and individuals and marking.

    Realisitically, there isn't a 'trained teacher' way of explaining  the relationship between George and Lenny, how to solve an equation or the water cycle. If that's what you've been asked to teach then you're a teacher and if you struggle you get better at it.

    The unions are complicit in what is happening. Chat to a few union reps. Those who have a contempt for supply teachers will tell you that "the sooner they are all replaced with cover supervisors the better."

    The sheer scale of recruitment means that cover supervisors  will have a significant role in education both as employees of schools and doing day to day supply

     

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    Posted by: foody 20/08/2009 at 07:53
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    I have a friend's daughter from SA staying with me at the moment and she went for an interview with a supply agency who are recruiting cover supervisors.  They were prepared to accept her with the equivalent of A levels and no other qualifications. She was quoted pay of 'at least £50 a day' surely less than half of what a supply teacher gets! Its obvious that its just all about money!

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    Posted by: stupot101 21/08/2009 at 10:15
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    I had no idea that the Unions had that much contempt for Supply Teachers. Of course, I expect they are the ones who have been fortunate anough to have had a steady career. the types who have always had a full time job, and don;t appreciate how difficult a Supply teacher's job actually is 

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    Posted by: M100 24/08/2009 at 13:58
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    geffone:

    replying to my own post looks like not much interest from anyone ce le vie us supply teachers.

    and ce le vie NASWT for me

    Presumably not a supply teacher for French - "C'est la vie", a French phrase, "Such is life" according to my source.
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