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    Posted by: tonycallaghan 17/07/2009 at 15:31
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    Why is the NASUWT and the other professional associations turning two blind eyes to the number of non-teachers covering lessons in our schools. One of my grandchildren, in a Primary School here in Norwich has a  Mrs Smith with a CSE in Home Economics { real person } who regularly TEACHES classes under the guise of the title...... Cover Supervisor.

    In our Secondary schools in Norfolk we have teams of Cover Supervisors, lined managed by Learning Managers who are appointed to teach classes when qualified teachers are absent .

    Why are the UNIONS  not prepared to take action on this issue of 'auxilliaries' TEACHING our children ?    ....... AND YES , THEY ARE TEACHING IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD..

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    Posted by: misspotter 17/07/2009 at 22:19
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    Completely agree, and I think a lot of this goes unnoticed and not reported to parents by schools.

     

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    Posted by: oldsomeman 18/07/2009 at 13:36
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    In my local school  when a teacher went sick and they tried to use CS, many of the parents withdrew thier kids for that day CS were in place.......... and then wrote and protested to thier local  authority//////maybe this is what we need to encourage parents to do?

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    Posted by: geffone 19/07/2009 at 13:33
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    It always worth reflecting on the excellent strategies of our education system.

    Invent a GTC to maintain standards of excellence in education. All qualifed teachers answerable to this robust body of seamless excellence and professional practice.

    Recruit unqualifed staff to teach who are not answerable to the GTC's standards.

    This is excellent stuff. Now I am know I am not to smart so I have to trust  higher minds than my own.

    This is satire of the Catch 22 variety- except it ain't satire.

     

     

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    Posted by: dea_ex_machina 21/07/2009 at 05:50
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     And then look at primary languages - the first contact with MFL learning takes place with teachers who may have done O level French, or have a house in Spain. But they have not learned 'how' to teach a language. They are effectively unqualified language teachers!

    I wonder is there a correlation between the gradual dwindling of the use of Target language in an MFL classroom and the rise of teachers who cannot actually speak the language?

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    Posted by: tonycallaghan 21/07/2009 at 08:14
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    Where's my response Ms. Keates ?

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    Posted by: pallyally 21/07/2009 at 10:04
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    In reply I have to make it clear that the NUT refused to become part of the so called Social Partnership because of this issue. The NUT stands for a qualified teacher in front of every class, so if you want a union that believes in that, join the NUT

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    Posted by: ilovescience! 24/07/2009 at 23:05
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    One of our cover supervisors (actually the main CS), can't pass GCSE Maths or English.  She has taken the exams and equivalent several times but has failed repeatedly!  I've heard her 'teaching' pupils the wrong thing in the classroom, but she keeps the children in line and that is what seems to be important. 

    Now I find out that teachers have to be educated to masters level as a minimum and that they are going to be licensed - something that has to be renewed every few years.  Now how can that be right?  Are qualified teachers to be hounded out of the profession and replaced by unqualified staff?

    Parents are probably not aware of the status of the 'teacher' in front of their children in the most part.  I am sure that if they were fully aware of the number of unqualified staff being used to cover / teach in school there would be more complaints.

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    Posted by: planetx 25/07/2009 at 09:39
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    Give it a few years, some custom and practice and a few Tory budget cuts and we will be reading about this odd idea of paying barely qualified teachers huge sums of money to sit around knitting while children rioted.

    The idea that someone needed to be qualified to take an academy class will be the stuff of historical novels.

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    Posted by: gemslater06 22/08/2009 at 11:01
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    I worked in a school for my teaching practice and could not believe how many lessons 'CS's' were used for teaching. The fact that they were used to cover PPA for the same lessons each week meant that they were actually leading the programmes of study for those particular subjects (OK - it was 'only PSHE and PE' but these are just as important to children's development as maths and english in mine and, many other's eyes) It's all about saving money.

     

    I have struggled to find a permanent job as an NQT and now I am stuggling to get supply work 'cos schools just don't want to pay for it (and isn't supply expense claimed back partially by the school anyway )  The whole situation is gradually getting out of control - TEACHERS NEED TO TEACH IT IS WHY WE SLOG OUR GUTS OUT IN THE TRAINING PROCESS.

    And I have to add that I was a TA for three years before my PGCE and looking back I knew nothing when it came to the content of teaching and the theories of pedagogy, how lessons should be structured etc - een though I saw it happen everyday. It is no offence to TA's who do an excellent job but unless you have been through the training process you don't understand the half of it. AND to then to be able to teach independently - disaster waiting to happen. Not fair to all involved except the schools budget

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