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Truth in Science trying to get creationism into science again by sending out free textbooks to schools again.

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    Posted by: FR David 04/12/2009 at 13:02
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    Arrived today, sent to the school library, "Explore Evolution". Looks like a very plausible book, with citations from scientists, endnotes to chapters and so on. Actually originating from the American Discovery Institute, a conservative think tank using the wedge strategy of getting ID taught in science.

    Apparently plausible (though flawed) rhetoric - an example from page 3 introduction:

    "Experimental scientists can observe phenomena under controlled conditions. However historical scientists, like archaeologists and palaeontologists, must try to figure out what happened in the past without the benefit of observing the past directly. They operate more like detectives...Sometimes we find that the same evidence can be explained in more than one way...in the historical sciences, neither side can directly verify its claims about past events"

     

    Oh dear. The rest of the book is like this, quoting scientists when it wants ('Evolutionary biologist Michael Lynch has noted that creating a clear picture of evolutionary relationships is an "elusive problem" "(p57),but other times making a vague 'Many scientists arrgue that..." without citing. They also make constant use of 'Neo-Darwinism", apparently as an attempt to personalise a scientific theory and lend credence to the evolution is a religion gibberish.

     

     See if its turned up in your school, might well have gone to the library, and start asking questions. Or just put it in the fiction section where it belongs. Scientists can start 'teaching the controversy' when RE classes start teaching Pastafarianism. 

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    Posted by: Drowner7777 04/12/2009 at 13:07
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     How dare they have an opposing view!!!

     

    Although, if they are endorsing creationism it should not be taught in Science..

     

    I have read, however, some compelling pieces on ID, which are thought provoking, but not fit --imo-- for science classes in a Secondary or High school,, YET..

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    Posted by: chem2006 04/12/2009 at 13:14
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    FR David:

    Arrived today, sent to the school library, "Explore Evolution". Looks like a very plausible book, with citations from scientists, endnotes to chapters and so on. Actually originating from the American Discovery Institute, a conservative think tank using the wedge strategy of getting ID taught in science.

    Apparently plausible (though flawed) rhetoric - an example from page 3 introduction:

    "Experimental scientists can observe phenomena under controlled conditions. However historical scientists, like archaeologists and palaeontologists, must try to figure out what happened in the past without the benefit of observing the past directly. They operate more like detectives...Sometimes we find that the same evidence can be explained in more than one way...in the historical sciences, neither side can directly verify its claims about past events"

     

    Oh dear. The rest of the book is like this, quoting scientists when it wants ('Evolutionary biologist Michael Lynch has noted that creating a clear picture of evolutionary relationships is an "elusive problem" "(p57),but other times making a vague 'Many scientists arrgue that..." without citing. They also make constant use of 'Neo-Darwinism", apparently as an attempt to personalise a scientific theory and lend credence to the evolution is a religion gibberish.

     

     See if its turned up in your school, might well have gone to the library, and start asking questions. Or just put it in the fiction section where it belongs. Scientists can start 'teaching the controversy' when RE classes start teaching Pastafarianism. 

    FSM rules

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    Posted by: FR David 04/12/2009 at 13:25
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    Its not about the right to have an opposing view, you can have an opinion on anything you like. But that does not mean all opinons are of equal worth. No-one is claiming that having an different opinion is wrong. If someone had the opinion that Jesus was a shopfitter from Doncaster I would not expect that to be taught in RE because it is nonsense. The calls for 'teach the controversy' is a subtle way of saying 'teach this particular controversy in this particular way'.

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    Posted by: grunwald 04/12/2009 at 13:27
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     Basta with the pasta, already.

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    Posted by: Drowner7777 04/12/2009 at 13:29
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     Jesus was from Doncaster?

     

    Just kidding..

     

    I am sort of in a mild state of shock that I am in some sort of agreement with you.. Give me a moment.. 

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    Posted by: Brian Jordan 08/12/2009 at 22:46
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    Thanks for bringing this up. You are quite right about the wedge strategy: although "Truth in Science" poses as an ID proponent organisation, it's full of out and out Young Earth creationists. Anyone wishing to report receiving a copy, in confidence, is welcome to contact the British Centre for Science Education at committee (at) bcseweb.org.uk or comment on our blog http://bcseweb.org.uk/blog/ where we have an entry about it. Or you're welcome join our forum at http://community.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php
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    Posted by: chem2006 08/12/2009 at 23:26
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    Brian Jordan:
    Thanks for bringing this up. You are quite right about the wedge strategy: although "Truth in Science" poses as an ID proponent organisation, it's full of out and out Young Earth creationists. Anyone wishing to report receiving a copy, in confidence, is welcome to contact the British Centre for Science Education at committee (at) bcseweb.org.uk or comment on our blog http://bcseweb.org.uk/blog/ where we have an entry about it. Or you're welcome join our forum at http://community.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php
    Will they burn well? A have a log burning fire, let me know
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    Posted by: apostate 09/12/2009 at 11:03
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    FR David:

    Scientists can start 'teaching the controversy' when RE classes start teaching Pastafarianism. 

     

    Excellent. I've taught Flying spaghetti monster several times in RE of late so I'm waiting with bated breath :)

    Seriously though I find it frightening in RE lessons how many students come out with the opinion that evolution is just a theory or just an opinion and creationism/ID just as valid. (I teach in a school with science specialism status.) I ended one lesson saying "Thank God for Dawkins" - at least when it comes to evolution.

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    Posted by: AsmodeusII 09/12/2009 at 11:50
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    FR David:

    If someone had the opinion that Jesus was a shopfitter from Doncaster I would not expect that to be taught in RE because it is nonsense.

     

    Quite reasonable and equal to the idea that he came from Nazareth.

     

    Not so sure about the shop lifting though

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