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    Posted by: zannaespana 21/01/2010 at 15:44
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    I don't wish to blow my own trumpet but my tutor said i was top of my class for the pgce that year, so much so that she filmed me for the next year as a good example, i love teaching and have never wanted to do nething else but i find myself in the situation where i am claiming the doll because i can't pass this stupid numeracy test. All my other colleagues are now in their 2nd yr of teaching and i havent' even don my nqt year. I think something seriously needs to be done about this test in particular because there must be others out there like me that just aren't mathmatically minded but good teachers! I teach languages so i'm not gonna be sat around working out fractions and quite frankly won't do nething in my head and if it gets complicated i will go to the maths dept for help! they don't ask teachers to take a mfl test or a science test so why on earth choose maths! ict and english are at least relevant ! I fear that i will never get my dream of being a teacher and had the worst pgce year ever commuting miles to my placements n getting up at 5am everyday and getting home at 7pm ! it was sooooooo stressful becos of that and now i just feel like it was all for nothing and maybe i should give up and go and work in a shop! soooooooooooo annoyed the government implemented this it's grossly unfair and clearly doesn't help them cos i have to claim benefits!

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    Posted by: deleted963 22/01/2010 at 07:50
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    What numeracy test?

    Perhaps you grammar needs some improvement too.

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    Posted by: bobbycatrules 14/02/2010 at 11:14
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    Maybe you should do an adult numeracy course to brush up your skills.

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    Posted by: mathsguy 14/02/2010 at 16:43
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    Sorry, but I'm going to be fairly harsh here, as it's a bugbear of mine.

    1. CFE requires all teachers to be numerate and literate.In fact, pretty much any job requires you to be numerate and literate, but when you are working with children and numeracy and literacy are core to their learning, it's worth taking time to ensure that NQT's are numerate and literate. Surely it's worth giving yourself such skills?

    2. No-one is asking you to do maths. It's numeracy - number work. Maths is a much broader subject involving such areas as algebra, geometry and statistics (all of which require numeracy and literacy to understand).

    3.  In your job as a teacher, you will have to work with numbers on a regular basis - for example exam statistics, lesson and course planning (time).  If you went to the maths department every time you came across a number problem, the maths department would get tired pretty quickly - you are supposed to be educated, and as such should have learned these skills at school. Maths departments are not there as a security blanket for a lack of effort earlier on in your education.

    Sorry to be harsh, but numeracy and literacy are core to any education system. If our teachers have problems in these areas, then what hope do our pupils have?

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    Posted by: Poltyrol 18/02/2010 at 18:26
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    I'm afraid I also think it's just something you are going to need to learn to do to be an effective teacher.  I thought the test was very fair in terms of making it clear that what it was asking was relevant eg on my one we had to plan what time to leave to get a coach somewhere and there was quite a lot about analysing results which isn't easy but you need to be able to do. The initial questions just involve knowing a few number skills like the relationship between fractions and dividing etc - get a primary school teacher to give you a couple of hours private tuition would be my advice!  They're used to making this sort of thing really clear, and it really does boil down to just a few facts.

     Where I do sympathise is that education has changed so much since some of us were at school - primary school children are expected to do a lot that I wasn't taught until secondary and then with a calculator!  Standards really have gone up!

     

    Good luck

     

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    Posted by: Bobby_Carrot 28/02/2010 at 09:07
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    First of all, how on earth could you be the model student with writing and grammar like that? You seem to use an awful lot of text tak, which is something that is dreadful and does not belong in a professional forum. Also please use a capital I when using the first person - sorry I know this picky but if teachers can't get the basics right, how can we expect the children to?

    I agree with the other posters. The maths test is not hard. It is a day to day, bread and butter mathmatics that teachers will be using most of the time (even foundation stage staff). The bottom line is, you either train yourself to pass the test and give your self to opportunity to begin teaching, or sit and whinge about how unfair it all is and do nothing. If a teacher has a degree then they ought to be able to coach themselves (or find help to coach themselves) through what are essentially three basic skills tests (granted the ICT test is an entity on its own, but an educated person can train themselves).

    Personally I think this poster is taking the mickey - the grammar and accusations suggest that. Perhaps we shouldn't be feeding the troll. I can't believe a person would really sit their and blame the goverment for their lack of effort getting through a compulsory test when they have a degree and a PGCE under their belt?

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    Posted by: escott16 28/02/2010 at 13:37
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    Bobby_Carrot:
    I can't believe a person would really sit their and blame the goverment for their lack of effort getting through a compulsory test when they have a degree and a PGCE under their belt?
     

    I absolutely agree with this comment and like the 'sit their and blame'  part of the last sentence.  I hope it was a subtle attempt at taking the mickey and not a grammatical error! 

    Speaking as a parent of two primary school children, I am astonished at the display of bad grammar and spelling in their homework books (their teachers' bad grammar and spelling).  

    I was also appalled by the fact that the Head Teacher's attitude to my son's struggle in basic numeracy was 'some children just don't understand maths and they get a calculator when they go to secondary school anyway'.  She also continued to mention that she doesn't even have an 'O' Grade in Mathematics, just Arithmetic!

    I have applied to study the PGDE.  II am driven by the fact that although my son attends, what many would view as a, good state school, his education has been let down by a few teachers who either don't possess the ability or are just not interested.

     

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    Posted by: chris_vidal 19/05/2010 at 00:12
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    I am currently doing my PGCE due to finish next month. I passed the literacy first time, but have had 4 attempts at the numeracy. I am really frustrated because I thought I did enough to pass at the last attempt. I don't even know where I'm going wrong, the report they give is useless, it says i have to improve in all areas. I need to know which ones i got wrong and where i went wrong. I feel I may be practising the wrong thing, though I've had coaching from maths teachers. I won't give up, but a little better feedback system would help. And what is the pass rate anyway? Chris
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    Posted by: b822tutor 19/05/2010 at 09:55
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     Chris

    The pass mark is 17/28. That means you only need to get one mark for the mental arithmetic section if you can get 16 marks in the on-screen part of the test.

    Check out:

    http://www.mathsmadeeasy.co.uk/qts-numeracy-test.htm

     

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    Posted by: tealbutterfly 04/06/2010 at 21:49
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    I think the replies to this post have been pretty harsh. I also found the numeracy test difficult and so have a number of people in my class, I kept failing by one mark and I finally passed after six tries. This website really helped http://www.mathsmadeeasy.co.uk/qts-numeracy-test.htm (if the link does not work just google it) the programme cost £9.99 and I passed successfully after using these methods. Give it a try and best of luck. I'm not going to have a go about your language and grammar because I gather you were just ranting with frustration. Regards Teal x
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