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How can the state justify supporting homeopathy?

Last post 10/02/10 at 12:35 by Maimonides, 13 replies
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    Posted by: AdmiralNelson 09/02/2010 at 18:44
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    A good article, I thought:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-how-can-the-state-justify--supporting-homeopathy-1893339.html

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    Posted by: airy 09/02/2010 at 18:50
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    Because sometimes it works? (Disclaimer: in the same sense that sometimes a placebo works 'cos it makes you feel better to be doing something rather than nothing. )
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    Posted by: autismuk 09/02/2010 at 19:10
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    airy:
    Because sometimes it works? (Disclaimer: in the same sense that sometimes a placebo works 'cos it makes you feel better to be doing something rather than nothing. )
     

    But there are much cheaper ways of implementing placebos and it doesn't work anyway.

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    Posted by: airy 09/02/2010 at 19:36
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    I believe there is research which shows that the more expensive the placebo, the more efficacious people report them to be.
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    Posted by: lapinrose 09/02/2010 at 20:50
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     All I can say is that it got me off an addiction to a medically prescribed drug, Itrust homeopathy. I also use Arnica, tablets and cream, to great effect, ditto calendula.I take arnica whenever I have a GA and the Doctors are amazed at my recovery time. It works for me. I know that in theory it shouldn't but it does.

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    Posted by: ShadowMan 09/02/2010 at 20:58
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    Just because some gullible people believe it works does not mean my taxes should pay for it.  Get your sugar pills from a herbal shop if you want but the state can not justify spending £10 million per year on water that has been shaken a few times.

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    Posted by: DM 09/02/2010 at 21:07
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    lapinrose,

    I urge you to read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science blog.   Google it or better still buy his paperback.

    I hope Ben won't mind me quoting a large section of his work:


    The ’science’ behind homeopathy

    Homeopathic remedies are made by taking an ingredient, such as arsenic, and diluting it down so far that there is not a single molecule left in the dose that you get. The ingredients are selected on the basis of like cures like, so that a substance that causes sweating at normal doses, for example, would be used to treat sweating.

    Many people confuse homeopathy with herbalism and do not realise just how far homeopathic remedies are diluted. The typical dilution is called “30C”: this means that the original substance has been diluted by 1 drop in 100, 30 times. On the Society of Homeopaths site, in their “What is homeopathy?” section, they say that “30C contains less than 1 part per million of the original substance.”

    This is an understatement: a 30C homeopathic preparation is a dilution of 1 in 100^30, or rather 1 in 10^60, which means a 1 followed by 60 zeroes, or – let’s be absolutely clear – a dilution of 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000.

    To phrase that in the Society of Homeopaths’ terms, we should say: “30C contains less than one part per million million million million million million million million million million of the original substance.”

    At a homeopathic dilution of 100C, which they sell routinely, and which homeopaths claim is even more powerful than 30C, the treating substance is diluted by more than the total number of atoms in the universe. Homeopathy was invented before we knew what atoms were, or how many there are, or how big they are. It has not changed its belief system in light of this information.

    How can an almost infinitely dilute solution cure anything? Most homeopaths claim that water has “a memory”. They are unclear what this would look like, and homeopaths’ experiments claiming to demonstrate it are frequently bizarre. As a brief illustration, American magician and debunker James Randi has for many years had a $1m prize on offer for anyone who can demonstrate paranormal abilities. He has made it clear that this cheque would go to someone who can reliably distinguish a homeopathic dilution from water. His money remains unclaimed.

    Many homeopaths also claim they can transmit homeopathic remedies over the internet, in CDs, down the telephone, through a computer, or in a piece of music. Peter Chappell, whose work will feature at a conference organised by the Society of Homeopaths next month, makes dramatic claims about his ability to solve the Aids epidemic using his own homeopathic pills called “PC Aids”, and his specially encoded music. “Right now,” he says, "Aids in Africa could be significantly ameliorated by a simple tune played on the radio."

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    Posted by: BazMaunders 09/02/2010 at 21:07
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    The conventional drug companies have not got a clean record.

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    Posted by: chem2006 09/02/2010 at 22:41
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    BazMaunders:

    The conventional drug companies have not got a clean record.

    Did you realise that the vast majority of natural remedies and homeopathic medicines are sold by companies that are owned by the conventional drug companies. They realise the fortune to be made from cheap to produce rubbish that requires no evidence to sell it.
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    Posted by: choices 10/02/2010 at 00:17
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    lapinrose:

     All I can say is that it got me off an addiction to a medically prescribed drug, Itrust homeopathy. I also use Arnica, tablets and cream, to great effect, ditto calendula.I take arnica whenever I have a GA and the Doctors are amazed at my recovery time. It works for me. I know that in theory it shouldn't but it does.

     

    Technically arnica cream is not homeopathy -- its not diluted until there's no arnica left, it does  have 0.9% arnica in it. Its a normal herbal remedy. Probably fairly safe as people have used it for ages, but whether it works or not who knows. Bit like witch hazel.

     

     

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