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    Posted by: geek84 08/03/2010 at 14:18
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    I am planning to become a lecturer/teacher in a FE college.  Can you give an indication as to the career development and promotion prospects from starting out as a lecturer/tutor.

     

    Thank You.

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    Posted by: alexander tg 08/03/2010 at 19:43
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    Career development and promotion? are you kidding?
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    Posted by: welshskyline 09/03/2010 at 09:15
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    There are still many managerial opportunities in the world of FE, regardless of what alexander might think. Indeed, the number of people applying for managerial jobs has declined quite sharply over the past 5 years. That's because it is a hard job - lots of targets to hit (many from ouside of the College), declining budgets, diabolical employment laws which makes it very difficult to get rid of poor staff and, of course, the ever-present threat of inspection from Ofsted and a host of other regulatory bodies.

    It's also worth noting that the great majority of college principals are over the age of 55 so, in a few years time, there will be even more opportunities for people. The key thing to remember, though, is that to "get on" in FE you have to give up teaching.

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    Posted by: shirtandtie 09/03/2010 at 10:57
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    welshskyline:
    There are still many managerial opportunities in the world of FE, regardless of what alexander might think.

    But significantly less than in schools. The only managerial job I would be in the frame for in my college would be my manager's.

    Schools offer greater opportunities for progression because they have two parallel management structures; the academic and the pastoral.

    They also offer many other paid opportunities through the system of TLRs. A concept of progression that doesn't exist in colleges.

    In my last school out of a department of 11 only 2 colleagues didn't have a paid managerial responsibility (HoD, two Seconds, three key stage subject leaders, an AST, an assistant year head, and a work placement coordinator), all on a minimum of a £2.5k uplift.

    The fact that the loss of a timetable is often used by colleges as a reward for taking managerial responsibility unfortunately often leads to those who cannot teach becoming managers.

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    Posted by: alexander tg 09/03/2010 at 14:37
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     It's not what I think Welshskyline its what I know.  The ones who do secure college management in general but not always have no management qualifications, no management affiliations and very little sector experience.  I could regale you with true stories of nepotism and stupidity I have encountered over the years but I suspect the vast majority of this forum already know similar cases.

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    Posted by: welshskyline 10/03/2010 at 11:32
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    Are you seriously suggesting that most people appointed to managerial positions in FE do not have experience of the sector? If so, it suggests that you are not actively involved in FE recruitment in any meaningful way. There may be the occasional functional post (eg MIS manager or HR manager) where you might appoint from outside the sector, but it certainly isn't trhe case for curriculum management posts - not in my college, and not in the many collegses I have knowledge of.

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    Posted by: alexander tg 10/03/2010 at 17:06
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    Do some research amongst your own colleagues then and ask them the following questions:

     

    1.  Have you got a management qualification at level 6 and above.

     

    2. Do you belong to either the Institute of Management and Leadership or the CMI at Fellowship level.

     

    3.  Are you an experienced manager with real world exposure.

     

    Ask these questions welshskyline and come back to me when you have the answers.

     

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    Posted by: welshskyline 10/03/2010 at 18:48
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    We can debate until next year about whether managers need to have formal qualifications. The point I made in my earlier post, however, is that fewer and fewer people are applying for managerial positions in FE, regardless of whether they are "qualified" or not. It is not uncommon to advertise a post and only receive three or four applications. And that's in a Grade 1 college that pays well (when compared to other colleges in the sector).

    Just out of interest, are you a manager in FE?

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    Posted by: welshskyline 10/03/2010 at 18:52
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    You talk about FE not being a part of the "real world" - I beg to differ. The challenges that managers in FE are facing bear comparison to many other sectors of the economy. It may have been an easy job many years ago but, with external inspection, audit, the many layers of public accountability and, finally, the cuts that are taking place all across the country, it's no easy job. It always appears to be easy when you're on the outside, however.

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    Posted by: alexander tg 10/03/2010 at 19:40
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    Surely that is the key debate as to whether a manager is qualified or not and partaking of further CPD via a professional body wouldn't you agree? or are of the school of thought who believes that all you need is knowledge of the sector and a little teaching experience. I have been through this argument lots of times on this forum and I do not propose to repeat myself or explain my reasoning further. I refer you to the task I gave earlier. I simply do not believe your assertion that fewer and fewer people are applying for these jobs given the current economic climate. I suggest that you look on employment sites and see how many people apply for any teaching position let alone curriculum posts.
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