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Newsnight education debate last night. What I remember. vaguely.

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    Posted by: BigFrankEM 11/03/2010 at 21:52
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    Awful. Words cannot begin to describe it.

     

    The three politicos? My only problem was to decide who was worst. A total irrelevance. (Though the fact that one of the three of them will be in charge from this summer on is a little...spooky?)

     

    The panel?

     

    Five members: 4m 1F

     

    The parent. She wants to set up and run her own private state school. Nuff said.

     

     

    Small business man.  Nuff said.

     

    Superstar headteacher from Phoenix School. To his credit he sat patiently through all the political shenanigans, only gave an opinion when asked, formulated his replies in full sentences. Might be a decent enough bloke for all I know, thought the first 2 words in the job description at the start of this para beg to tell a different tale, I do know.

     

    The teacher. Martin Gilbert(?) writes sometimes for the torygraph?  I don´t warm to him in general.  He was out to rubbish the Tory politico. Now whilst I would rather die than cast my vote in favour of TheConservative&UnionistParty that did strike me as a bit cheap. But then, I don´t ...

     

    The Guru (educational) Didn´t catch his name.Didn´t make any impact on me; well not enough to remember a single thing he said less than 24 hours later, though I think he was wearing a reddish sort of shirt.[Please note important addendum at the end.]

     

    Earlier on, somebody (else; a filmed interview) said that the big problem wasn´t that we weren´t getting better but rather that we weren´t getting better as quickly as other countries.

     

    As someone else on here (different thread I think) has already remarked, the gaping chasm at the heart of the political argument and subsequent non-discussion was the complete absence of any reference whatsoever to classroom chaos.

     

    Yes, behaviour got a few glancing mentions early on and the teacher did sheepishly say that it was at times pretty tough and that broadly speaking behaviour was now less good than when he started 20 years ago, but that was almost all.

     

    Except that about 30 seconds before the show ended, the head(?) yes, I now remember, it was the head was asked whether "schools are being asked to do more than is reasonable and more than is their job to do" and he replied with some degree of animation to the effect "too bl@@y true" though given his racial and cultural background there were no expletives recquiring deletion.

     

    Which does bring me back to the one thing the Guru said which I do now remember.

     

    English schools start too early, he said. Children should stay at home till they are 7 "so that they can be nurtured in the bosom of the family"

     

    Old age and decrepitude has never seemed so inviting.

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    Posted by: dereck_underwood79 11/03/2010 at 23:13
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    BigFrankEM:

    English schools start too early, he said. Children should stay at home till they are 7 "so that they can be nurtured in the bosom of the family"

     

     

     

    Never a truer word was said.

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    Posted by: choices 11/03/2010 at 23:45
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    Guru was Michael Morpurgo (at least he was the one in the red shirt )- children's writer, and I think he was a primary teacher himself. 

    I gave up on it when Laws and Gove were talking over each other and Balls was keeping quiet and looking smug.

    Hope the TES event can ask them some harder questions. (What happened to Paxman, didn't seem to control it well?)  

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    Posted by: BigFrankEM 12/03/2010 at 00:07
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    choices:
    What happened to Paxman, didn't seem to control it well?

     

    Agreed. He was awful. Too.

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    Posted by: BigFrankEM 12/03/2010 at 00:08
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    dereck_underwood79:

    BigFrankEM:

    English schools start too early, he said. Children should stay at home till they are 7 "so that they can be nurtured in the bosom of the family"

     

     

     

    Never a truer word was said.

     

    English family life circa?

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    Posted by: BigFrankEM 12/03/2010 at 00:15
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    requiring

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    Posted by: dereck_underwood79 12/03/2010 at 06:58
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    BigFrankEM:
    English family life circa?
     

     

    If children arent to be nurtured in the bosom of their family, where are they to be nurtured?

     

    Is the state going to do it?

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    Posted by: BigFrankEM 12/03/2010 at 07:36
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    dereck_underwood79:

    If children arent to be nurtured in the bosom of their family, where are they to be nurtured?

     

    Touché.

    dereck_underwood79:

    Is the state going to do it?

    Obviously not.

     

     

    But...................

     

     

    Have you (or Michael Montagu; sorry not sure of spelling and don´t have earlier post on screen) read a single sociological report about "English family life" in the past 5, 10, 25, 50 years?

     

    Including the social services failure report on Wednesday and the anti social behaviour (police indifference) report on Thursday.

     

    Or spent more than 5 minutes in an English secondary school classroom in the same time frame mentioned above? (Yes I appreciate that the logic of the proposal is such that if implemented properly then the clasroom chaos of which I despair daily would fall. But it is not the logic which I question but rather their realism in the current political and social climate which I question.)

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    Posted by: ed_ant2002 12/03/2010 at 13:41
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     I thought the whole thing truly appalling.  The way the politicians squabbled and bickered was just pathetic.  Do they not realise how amateur and illinformed it makes them look?  It might be acceptable behaviour in Westminster but it just made me angry that they think it is OK to continue such petty behaviour on national television.  At one point, I have expected Gove to put his fingers in his ears and shout "La La La!  Can't hear you!  La la la!"

    If this is the 'quality' of ministers these days, lord help us.

    IMO, the calm, professional, thoughtful and well-mannered HT would do a far better job.

     

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    Posted by: piychy75 12/03/2010 at 14:09
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     No mention of cover supers and ta's taking over classrooms...

     

    And the teacher they had on came over as being somewhat vacant..  the only word in his vocab seemed to be the word 'weary'.  Didn't seem to have any understanding of the problems facing schools at all.  Offered nothing.  Totally out of his depth.  What a waste.  Could have chosen someone better to represent the rank and file....

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