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    Posted by: gailrobinson 12/03/2010 at 10:01
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    Balls accepts findings of report which says the move would be 'too large a sledgehammer to crack a very small nut'.

    Read the full story in this week's TES

    http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6038620

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    Posted by: anon489 12/03/2010 at 10:08
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    Common sense prevails.  However I am surprised to see New Labour accept the report.  Most unusual for this somewhat fascist party.

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    Posted by: Jude Fawley 12/03/2010 at 10:53
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    Great news and it shows some hope that we haven't yet turned into a totally fascist state.

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    Posted by: Drowner7777 12/03/2010 at 11:06
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    I find it most odd that I have worked with teachers who thought MAO had some good points, that collectivism and forced and confiscatory taxation is peachy keen, and have spoken openly of their wish that the Queen be thrown out into the street, promote Global Warming as a reality, mock Christianity among other things and they never felt the need to hide their views.

    They teach children and they are unapologetic. However, I see no distinction between these extremists to the BNP.. None whatsoever.

     

     

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    Posted by: agentmancuso 12/03/2010 at 11:28
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    Drowner7777:
    , I see no distinction between these extremists to the BNP

    None of the political opinions you list, however extreme, have the slightest relevance to a teacher's performance in the classroom. Racist opinions, on the otherhand, will very probably have a significantly detrimental effect on the way a teacher treats the pupils in front of him.

    That's not necessarily a defence of banning BNP membership as such, but feigning ignorance of the distinction is either disingenuous in the extreme or, more likely, dishonest.

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    Posted by: Drowner7777 12/03/2010 at 11:46
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    I don't condone banning BNP members from teaching, nor do I anyone else who holds a particular view so long as that view is not used to brainwash.

    However, the Anti-christian views of some are every bit as racist as what the BNP trades in. The espousal and open appreciation of a system or tyrants that have caused immeasuble misery and death is also repugnant..

    I know that it is ever so trendy, as you demonstrate, to parse, spin, and explain away certain uncomfortable truths and excesses of "approved" or sanctioned Left Wing dogma, of which the BNP is not among them, but I say whether it's a Jack Russell or a Doberman they're both dogs.

    I find left wing extremists, whether from the BNP, the National Socialists, or the Workers Party of the World to be vile, hate filled, and intellectually addled and unworthy to be teachers because none of these people see teaching as enlightenment or enriching of minds they see it as a tool to promote whatever stupid revolution they are behind.. I think it's a "I hate my daddy and my mother didn't worship me" syndrome myself.

     AS for accusing me of dishonesty go and play that somewhere else, pal.

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    Posted by: agentmancuso 12/03/2010 at 12:02
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    Drowner7777:
    However, the Anti-christian views of some are every bit as racist as what the BNP trades in.

    Objecting to what someone believes is quite different from objecting to what someone is.

    Few things can be more anti-Christian than racism.

     The espousal and open appreciation of a system or tyrants that have caused immeasuble misery and death is also repugnant.

    I agree. But even in the unlikely event that a teacher did have strong opinions on, say, the role of the state in industrial organisation or the dynamics of historical materialism, it seems unlikely that this would cause any of their pupils much distress. Whereas if a teacher objected to some pupils being present because of the colour of their skin then learning & teaching could be severely disrupted.

     AS for accusing me of dishonesty go and play that somewhere else, pal.

    Pretending not to see the difference between racism and mere political illiteracy is either disingenuous or dishonest.

     

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    Posted by: Drowner7777 12/03/2010 at 12:44
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    I don't see the distinction because I don't think there is one. While I loathe both racism and political radicalism I believe that people have the right to be racist and to be politically stupid so long as those views are not put forth in a classroom or in a manner that undermines an enterprise.

    Again, I cite to you the anti-religious, anti-christian --expecially Catholic-- hatred of many on the radical left who are in teaching and espouse their hatreds right here in these boards. How you can somehow see a difference between that hatred and intolerance and what the M O R O N S in the BNP espouse baffles me.. I guess we have different levels of what is acceptable, but whereas you question my honesty I reply by questioning your questionable and relativistic moral compass.

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    Posted by: piychy75 12/03/2010 at 13:17
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     I don't think all BNP supporters are racist.

    I have worked in schools that are predom' asian and been in relationships with women of Chinese, Maltese, and Indian origin.  I treat all children with kindness whatever their origins.

    A lot of British people are sick of having to qualify being unhappy with our open borders by first saying 'I'm not racist but......'  Polish people are white like me, but I (like others) feel there is simply too many of them in our communities.  Likewise other nationalities - too many!  For me it has never been about race but always about the numbers.  I'm pro immigration, but anti the scale of immigration in recent years which has purely been allowed to keep the housing bubble inflated, depress salaries, gerrymander votes, and divide communities. 

    If I was to vote for the BNP it would be be purely as a tactical vote.  A wholly logical one given that they have an immigration policy and are not just puppets (like Labour and Conservative) of the real ruling elite aka the banks, aristocracy, and the industrial elite and their corporations.

    A vote for the BNP is the only vote capable of inflicting damage on a corrupt political system that doesn't speak for us. 

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    Posted by: tonycallaghan 12/03/2010 at 13:25
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    Well said Sir Henry. Thanks to Chris Keates and her merry men, the BNP have received lots of the oxygen of publicity. According to the report there are  FOUR teachers on the list of BNP members in the entire universe ! Do we know how many potential nutters we have teaching our children nationwide, because there are some out there i'm sure.

    Instead of focussing on the real problems in our classrooms, the NASUWT  put the BNP non issue, at the top of their publicity agenda for the last year. What a waste of resources. Mr Griffin must be laughing into his glass of lunchtime champagne.

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