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    Posted by: michelleharri6 23/03/2011 at 20:48
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     Hi,

    Wondered if any of you out there could offer advice.

    I am writing as a parent of a bright 4 year old who has a birthday early in the academic year, which means he missed the year R intake in September. He was so ready to leave pre-school before he was 4 and was left behind by almost all his friends. It wasn't a disaster, he made more.

    At home, he has been taught to read and enjoys all things medieval and superheroes. He is a child who can occupy himself and is very sociable at pre-school,enjoying nothing better than to run around like a headless chicken with his friends in the manner of many 4 year-old boys.

    He has recently become quite difficult for pre-school staff to deal with, throwing things over the outside fence and trying to escape himself and I have been a regular signatry in the incident book which details when children's behaviour becomes unacceptable.  We have another term of this to go and I am quite worried that despite our approaches to him about this behaviour, which he is able to understand and feel genuine regret for, he is so over-ready for school, that he just can't help it - he's actually not trying to be naughty but is naturally pushing the boudaries suitable for his stage of development, but not for the pre-school setting! and of course, I agree that throwing things over the fence is naughty. 

    Like all 4 year-olds, he is not perfect at home, but I do not have these problems with him. He can be a delightful, thoughtful child and a pleasure to have around on his own and with his sibling.

    Any of you early years experts have any ideas about what is going on here and how we can proceed ?

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    Posted by: iero18 25/03/2011 at 15:29
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    Hi,

    Sounds like he is bored andlooking for something interesting to do.

    Try the National Association for Gifted Children.

    www.nagcbritain.org.uk

    They have a helpline.

    iero18
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    Posted by: familyfortt 06/04/2011 at 20:50
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    hi Michelle,

     

    I have just read your statement about your son and it nearly bought me to tears.  This is beacause I am going through exactly the same thing with my son.  In fact I could have written it myself it is so acurate to my situation.

     I feel that they don't understand him at nursery and have no idea of what he is about.  He has just earned himself a naughtly label that we just cannot get rid of.  They don't get the fact that he is simply bored.  I now have his placement sorted for reception in september and hope that things work out better for him there.

     I would love to hear from you, if you have found a solution.

     

    Liz Fortt

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    Posted by: aagm620 11/04/2011 at 20:06
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     I suggest you home educate him.  Look online and form your own opinion and don't be swayed by 'experts'.   Attend some home education meet ups in your area.  By the way I am a teacher with 15 years experience and have taught in London and the North and I have chosen to home educate my children and have never looked back.

    His behavior is telling you something.

    Good luck

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    Posted by: frustum 11/04/2011 at 21:22
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    I opened this thread because I suspect I had a narrow escape from a similar situation. Daughter is very bright, but fortunately being six weeks prem meant that she started school this year as an August birthday - and she was so ready.

    I do sometimes wonder what I would have done this year - the pre-school is lovely, and I suspect she would have been okay there (probably because she's a girl) - but I'm pretty certain that we'd have been facing very challenging behaviour at home, without the stimulation she's getting from school.

    I think I would have been going for a halfway house with what aagm620 suggests: although she would probably have still gone to the pre-school (but not necessarily the full number of hours), I would have been looking for activities to do with her that would be more challenging - learning an instrument, going to a foreign language group, just going on trips to explore (just the one-to-one talk whilst doing so would probably be constructive), quite possibly hooking up with the local home ed group. I wouldn't have been looking to home educate long term, but I think it would have made a lot of sense to see pre-school as a secondary resource rather than rely on them to provide much stimulation. 

    I hope you both find some solutions, and that things simmer down at nursery. Hopefully things will be better come September, but I guess something needs to happen now to make sure they haven't got into behaviour patterns that will be difficult to break.

    Another thought: can you suggest any activities to the nursery that you know might engage your child? I told my daughter's key worker about things she was doing at home, and they then tried some of those at pre-school. Obviously you hope they'll be doing some different things at nursery to home, but if they can distract them onto something they find interesting, it might avoid the poor behaviour. It might also give the staff ideas for other things that might engage your boys.

    Good luck.

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    Posted by: michelleharri6 29/04/2011 at 08:24
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    Another thought: can you suggest any activities to the nursery that you know might engage your child? I told my daughter's key worker about things she was doing at home, and they then tried some of those at pre-school. Obviously you hope they'll be doing some different things at nursery to home, but if they can distract them onto something they find interesting, it might avoid the poor behaviour. It might also give the staff ideas for other things that might engage your boys.

    Good luck.

    Hi All, 

    Not logged on for a while. 

    Thanks very much for all the advice. I did actually make a long list of suggestions to the nursery about what I thought would engage my son. Contrary to the culture of the local school, this nursery actually thanked me and agreed to try the good ideas that I had put forward...I nearly passed out as I was expecting to be told to get lost!

    Things have settled a little. I began to feel that actually he had surpassed many of the expected goals for the Reception Year and wondered if I could ask the local school to take him early so he could go up with the now reception year into year 1. I decided against this course of action because the school is not very approachable and I know will tell me to get lost! but I will be closely monitoring the reception year and asking how they propose to keep him occupied when he is already surpassing most academic expectations for year R and yr1 for that matter!

    I worked out that we are really talikng about less than 12 weeks continuing at th nursery. I think we can survive until then -he's only there 3 school days per week.

    As regards home tutoring, yes, nothing I haven't thought of. However, we both need a break from one another and he desperately needs the companionship of other headless chickens! 

    Watch this space!

     

     

     

     

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    Posted by: florapost 03/05/2011 at 21:09
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    michelleharri6:
    As regards home tutoring, yes, nothing I haven't thought of. However, we both need a break from one another and he desperately needs the companionship of other headless chickens! 

    i quite understand this bit - i could have home-edded my daughter, tho she wouldn't have been too pleased as she loves a crowd - but the very thought with my son - augh!

    but we had access to a lovely school which was happy to let children fly, so i stuck with the extra-curricular stuff already mentioned

    letrus know how it goes when he gets to reception

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    Posted by: erm 11/05/2011 at 22:39
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    Depending where you live, you might be surprised by the number of home educated children there are locally, once you get to know people. I home educate my three. My eldest is particularly sociable and cites her main reason for not wanting to go to school is that she would miss all her friends. The other problem is that gifted children quite often get quite a hard time in school as they get older, depending on what area they are gifted in. Home education gives them the freedom to pursue and take control of their own interests, at their own pace.
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    Posted by: cg82 02/06/2011 at 00:14
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    As Gifted and Talented co-ordinator in a large primary and the proud parent of 2 G+T children, I see your problem from different angles.  I genuinely don't think home schooling is a valid option, particularly as your son has settled so well socially. 

    My advice would be to talk to the school about moving him up a year.  This is perfectly possible, but does depend on the discretion of the school.  The child's obvious boredom and frustration is something that any school would want to ease if possible and I suspect that the head would not want to lose any child who will clearly provide those all important levels later on in school life. 

    Make an appointment with the G+T co-ordinator or head (or both), outline your concerns and if his results and teacher assessments back up what you say, i think you have a strong case to have him admitted early (or at least do part of the day in an older class).  Be firm but reasonable and I would be surprised if some compromise could not be reached.

    Good luck.

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    Posted by: hairylemon 03/06/2011 at 08:15
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    Hello 

    I have a massively talented son who never got on at school from the start.  When bored at school he wasn't naughty he just chose to do more interesting things and avoided school. He finally missed Y11 completely and has taken a different path. He is in his 20s and I foresee a lifetime of difference as the world doesn’t seem to understand him or him the world, good luck

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