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    Posted by: Snowy1977 29/03/2011 at 13:25
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    After reading with interest the EIS negotiated pay deal, I wonder if someone would be in a position to help me out. I am currently working towards my final 4 modules as part of Work Based Project with City & Guilds and once submitted I will have completed the CT programme, submission date is June 2011.

     If I am to read EIS information right, does the pay deal stipulate that I will not actually be allowed to finish the programme and therefore will not receive the final salary increment?

     

    I will be absolutely gutted if this is the case as I have invested a helluva lot time and money in doing this course!

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    Posted by: speedy1 29/03/2011 at 15:19
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    Hi Snowy,

    I am in a similar position and cannot get an answer.My 4 module submission is not due in until July.  I have heard that we can finish but will only be given one increment.  I do not know how reliable this is and my union rep cannot help!

    I support your last comment too - its been a long journey to get kicked at the final post!

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    Posted by: holdingon 29/03/2011 at 17:56
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    it is a really bad way to be treated .

     

    It might be worth taking legal advice about it ,possibly get together as a group

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    Posted by: dreamteacher 29/03/2011 at 20:52
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    This may interest you. It is clarification on the current position which I sought from my CT provider.

    CONCERN ABOUT THE PROPOSED "FREEZE" ON THE CHARTERED TEACHER PROGRAMME
    In recent weeks there has been a lot of uncertainty and rumour around the future of the Chartered Teacher Programme and in particular the enhanced salary that follows each double module award. This is particularly important as teachers fund themselves on the programme in the expectation of that enhanced salary. The salary enhancement was a key feature of the McCrone Agreement as part of the recognition that their study programme and their enhanced status should bring.
    The current position is that the EIS is recommending that members approve a two year pay and conditions settlement that includes this clause:
    4. Chartered Teacher Scheme
    The award of salary increments for teachers commencing modules on an accredited Chartered Teacher Programme, currently set out in the SNCT Handbook, Part 2, Section 1, paragraph 1.25, shall be suspended with immediate effect, with the following exception.  Teachers who are already working towards completion of a module or modules, shall receive one salary increment on successful completion of the module or modules.  However, until further notice is provided, no additional salary increments shall be awarded for any further modules of study which are completed.
    The SNCT will take a decision on the awarding of additional increments for teachers undertaking an accredited Chartered Teacher programme by April 2012.
    IMPLICATIONS
    Candidates currently on the programme will have concerns thatTeachers who are already working towards completion of a module or modules, shall receive one salary increment on successful completion of the module or modules.This seems very unfair to candidates who are for example working on the Work Based Project which is a 4 module equivalent and which therefore should attract two salary increments on successful completion.It will also affect candidates who are considering starting on Unit 2 Part 1 but who have not yet submitted Unit 1 to the exam board. This would seem to imply that if such candidates submit Unit 1 and Unit 2 Part 1 to the September exam board that they would receive just one salary increment. Again this would seem to be most unfair.WHAT'S TO HAPPEN IN FUTURE?It is important to recognise that the Chartered Teacher Programme itself has not been suspended. Candidates can continue to enrol and progress. A decision on further salary increments will be taken by April 2012. It would again seem grossly unfair if such a decision was not to pay the increments to which teachers are entitled. That would mean that some CTs would be receiving the full salary enhancement and others were not. That would be a difficult decision to justify in the light of employment law.The McCormac Review is examining all aspects of the McCrone Agreement. If its review concludes that there should no longer be any salary enhancement for holders of the CT qualification that would have serious implications for the Chartered Teacher Programme but would also seriously damage any idea of CPD for teachers having value and would make the notion of any aspirations in Scotland to a Master Level profession look ridiculous. Hopefully that will not happen.In the meantime we would encourage those of you enrolled on the programme to continue your progress – you will certainly receive one salary increment even in the worst case scenario of implementation of this proposal.Those of you considering enrolling must consider the implications:
    ·       If you enrol now for Unit 1 you will receive that single increment  on completion·       If you enrol on Unit 2 you will be able to receive a single increment on completion of a double module equivalentThat is exactly what you are entitled to under current arrangements.·       If you enrol now for Unit 3, the work based project, you will only receive one increment instead of two on completion. Completion would be February 2012.The position is under review for April 2012. Hopefully the final increment would then be awarded.We think that you may agree that the position is most unsatisfactory and damages the notion of enhanced skills and standards for the teaching profession in Scotland. However, it is important to emphasise that no decision has yet been made, and that this is only a proposal.It is up to everyone to judge how to respond to these circumstances but we hope that many of you will evaluate the salary increase and the enhanced professional status that progressing through the Chartered Teacher Programme brings and will enroll in the next few weeks for your next stage.

    I am considering my next move!

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    Posted by: speedy1 29/03/2011 at 22:38
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    Thanks for this.  I am awaiting a response from my provider too.  But this is the most useful info I have heard recently.  I am halfway through my work based project so I suppose I will continue and await the mystery being solved.  I or 2 increments! Sad  A good point though about some CTs then being paid on the full scale and others not.

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    Posted by: jonowen 30/03/2011 at 12:23
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    This is most certainly illegal (i.e. to pay to study and complete MORE than one increments' worth and not be paid what we are due) and at the least, refunds will have to be paid out. I don't think this will happen and they were hoping we would roll over and be kicked in the teeth (as teachers are usually compliant beings, with the interests of our pupils at heart)

    CTs (and those on the way) are tougher than they think - we have to put up with all kinds of comments, ridicule and verbal abuse (yes!) to defend our decision to stretch our academic skills, jump through hoops to prove our worth and b****y teach on top of it all!

    It's good to be united on this   Angry

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    Posted by: holdingon 30/03/2011 at 12:45
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    chrtered accountants/engineers/surveyors are paid more why should chartered teachers not??

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    Posted by: speedy1 30/03/2011 at 13:00
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    holdingon:

    chrtered accountants/engineers/surveyors are paid more why should chartered teachers not??

     

    A very good point! Worth pointing out in the Mc Cormac Review?

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    Posted by: Snowy1977 30/03/2011 at 13:11
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    Good to hear from like-minded teachers as I feel I am almost getting riducued for starting the whole CT process from colleagues too lazy or have no interest in developing themselves as professionals, I have been met with an attitude of "nae luck, I'm glad I didn't put myself through that crap for this to happen, haha!"

     I will continue my work-based project and I will finish it for June 2011 and I guess what will be will be.  One question from reading the response above, if a decision is made in April 2012 to award full CT status to teachers like myself will the money owed be back-dated?  Long-shot I guess?

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    Posted by: holdingon 30/03/2011 at 17:42
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    i am sure they would happily buy you out for the fees you paid -but what about the 1000s of hours that you spent working towards CT

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