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    Posted by: mehomer 06/07/2011 at 20:56
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    I have a very poorly behaved year six class.  They have been like this all through school and I haven't managed to change them.  I have several children who run out of class, totally ignore instructions and shout at adults.  Next week is our SATs treat trip and I do not want to take these children on health and safety grounds.  Where do I stand?

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    Posted by: shalala 06/07/2011 at 20:57
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    If the class in general is misbehaving, why do they deserve a treat trip? I would bring all or none.
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    Posted by: blazer 06/07/2011 at 21:10
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    You need to make a risk assessment of the trip.  For each of the difficult kids you need to assess if the trip is suitable for them.  Can they cope with the 'normal' trip. If in your judgement they can't then what steps must you put in place to allow them to come.  This could be perhaps taking a dedicated member of staff for each of the difficult kids.  That will ensure their H&S and the H&S of the rest of the group.  You must define what the duties of these extra staff are such as sitting with the kid on the bus. Holding the child's hand at all times etc or at particularly risky times such as crossing roads, on stairs, by water etc.  You could also perhaps alter parts of the trip for those particular children.

     

    Take the risk assessment to your HT and tell him/her that the trip cannot go ahead unless these measures are taken.  If he/she is willing to staff it then take the kids. If he/she is not willing to staff it them he/she can choose to exclude them from the trip.  Under no circumstance take the kids if you don't feel safe.  Cancel the trip if necessary.  Your LEA employs advisors who can assist you in this.  Ask your EVC for their contact number or email address.

     

    When we do trips (we are scondary) we put a clause into the letters to say that the school reserves the right to exclude pupils from trips if their general behaviour in school is deemed to present a risk to their H&S or the H&S of other on the trip.

     

    Good luck

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    Posted by: Smirk 12/07/2011 at 20:54
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     SATS trip.


    Mental.

    If something goes wrong YOU and noone else is in the dock.  Literally.

    NO TRIP.

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    Posted by: langteacher 17/07/2011 at 09:57
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    i wouldn't even consider it. we too have the behaviour / exclusion clause

    do NOT put yourself / job etc at risk.

    if you are forced (?) to take them, get it written down that you have concerns but have no choice but personally I would refuse

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    Posted by: cg82 17/07/2011 at 16:46
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    another option is to explain to the parents that you will take them if a parent accompanies them and state your reasons clearly.  this way, they retain responsibility for their child and are make acutely aware of the issues their child presents.

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    Posted by: blazer 18/08/2011 at 19:56
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    Did the trip go ahead?

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    Posted by: nick1966 18/09/2011 at 10:15
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    No you don't have to take them. As one other poster said, do a thorough risk assessment and make it clear to SLT that you are not prepared to take them. I must be lucky - in many years of trips at my school, the decision has always been left to me.

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    Posted by: wolverina 05/10/2011 at 19:20
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    It's my understanding that you don't even have to take children on trips out of school if you don't want to. Check this with your union!!

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    Posted by: blazer 05/10/2011 at 20:25
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    wolverina:

    It's my understanding that you don't even have to take children on trips out of school if you don't want to. Check this with your union!!

    wolverina:

    It's my understanding that you don't even have to take children on trips out of school if you don't want to. Check this with your union!!

     

    That is corect. A teacher cannot be forced to take children out of school on trips. However the majority of teachers are happy to take trips but there is a big grey area when it comes to kids whose behaviour cannot be controlled.

     

    The Op has still not responded to whether the trip happened.

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