dtlls is the course for those in a full teaching role, i.e the bulk of your work is teaching and developing course materials.

bren65:

As far as I understand it, PTLLS, CTLLS & DTLLS all build on each other and are for those teaching in a support role (eg from pre-prepared materials). The CertEd & the PGCE are for those who will take on a full teaching role. Whether you'd do a CertEd or PGCE depends on if you have a degree or not.

There will be some cross-over but the chances are that you could simply transfer credit from one to another. If there isn't a financial difference between the DTLLS & CertEd, I would question why you'd do the lower course as the time-frame is likely to be the same.

I may not be totally right, but this is the information I've been given having recently negotiated through the maze. I've plumped to go straight to PGCE.

Bren

I think that for the majority the crux is that they do not have a degree. And in many ways this is the issue. In many places of work with staff from the QTS/PGCE end and the PTTLS/CTTLS/DTLLS end you find that many that are from the latter lack the teacher training and academic knowledge that the teachers from University education have due to the course organisation and entry requirements.

Certainly I know of many with PTTLS/CTTLS/DTLLS  qualifications that do not even have A-C GCSE equivalent qualifications in English/Maths/IT/Science. Yet are "teachers".

Hi Miss Pious

I only meet the A-C GCSE quals as I put equivalents in to my 1st degree (although not IT - before my time!)

I'm currently working my way through Teaching & Training in PCE - and I suppose the academic or on-the-job debate is part of the 1st chapter. I think I sit on the fence, my children having been taught by some excellent teachers both qualified & unqualified , and some pants ones too  - regardless of level of training.

As I am about to embark on a PGCE, I have no formal teaching experience but loads of qualifications - and I'm bricking it so will take all the practical help I can get! At this point, those with PTLLS & CTLLS are likely to know far more than me.......

But yes, being able to demonstrate a sound knowledge of English/Maths/IT/Science is a bit of a must.

Hi Folks 

I graduated about 20 years ago and recently completed a PTLLS in the hope of going on to do DTLLS.

I would like some advice - 

I want to know whether or not it would be worth my while in investing time & money to complete a DTLLS in order to find a suitable teaching role - teaching post 16. 

Are there lots of these opportunities about or few and far between? -  I have heard that since the new government came to power, a lot of colleges have shut down or merged!! 

Thanks in advance for your response.

Miss Pious:

I think that for the majority the crux is that they do not have a degree.

 

What? No one on my DTTLS course didn't have a degree.

Miss Pious:

 

And in many ways this is the issue. In many places of work with staff from the QTS/PGCE end and the PTTLS/CTTLS/DTLLS end you find that many that are from the latter lack the teacher training and academic knowledge that the teachers from University education have due to the course organisation and entry requirements.

 

It is a university course, it is also geared to teaching adult learners who do learn in a different way to children

Miss Pious:

Certainly I know of many with PTTLS/CTTLS/DTLLS  qualifications that do not even have A-C GCSE equivalent qualifications in English/Maths/IT/Science. Yet are "teachers".

DTTLS can incorporate masters level units, although you only need the level 5 to get QTLS.The DTTLS I did contained a research unit, but I do not know if this was one of the optional units.