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    Posted by: jonowen 13/09/2011 at 08:43
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    Just read this in BBC news report and they are predicting CT to be abolished as no difference can be seen between ordinary class teacher and CT. I resent this as I worked hard on the modules I completed and my pupils (especially ASN pupils) do receive a better quality of teaching from me as a result. Of course if SMT were more supportive and other colleagues less lazy and/or less envious CT would have had more respect (is that the right word?)

    They can't remove our enhanced salary can they?
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    Yes they can and will.The whole point of abolishing it is to save money.Hardly fair having a 2 tier teaching system with some employees being awarded significantly increased salaries.That was the argument for removing the conserved salaries, and it easily holds water for CT.Just think of your self like an Orc, that way you won't be disappointed about the way the Government or your employers feel about you. As for McCormac well we all knew what he thought of teachers. I wouldn't even use the report to burn in my fire.
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    Posted by: jonowen 13/09/2011 at 13:05
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    I suggest you pull your neck in and read the report - THEN you will be in a position to comment. You are typical of the lazy and/or envious colleagues I described earlier. I don't know of any CTs (or aspiring CTs) who only do the minimum classroom work, but of course sbf, you will; however, as you probably don't have any idea of CT or the effort involved, I'm not interested in your opinion.
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    sbf:
    Yes they can and will.The whole point of abolishing it is to save money.Hardly fair having a 2 tier teaching system with some employees being awarded significantly increased salaries.That was the argument for removing the conserved salaries, and it easily holds water for CT.Just think of your self like an Orc, that way you won't be disappointed about the way the Government or your employers feel about you. As for McCormac well we all knew what he thought of teachers. I wouldn't even use the report to burn in my fire.

     

    Difference is that CTs have paid money out of their own pocket to do the scheme. Conserved PTs were appointed (some without an interview back in the good old days).
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    Posted by: jonowen 13/09/2011 at 14:53
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    Thanks Freddie.
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    Posted by: speedy1 13/09/2011 at 15:11
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    Well said, Freddie. 
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    Posted by: sbf 13/09/2011 at 15:26
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    jonowen:

     

    I suggest you pull your neck in and read the report - THEN you will be in a position to comment. You are typical of the lazy and/or envious colleagues I described earlier. I don't know of any CTs (or aspiring CTs) who only do the minimum classroom work, but of course sbf, you will; however, as you probably don't have any idea of CT or the effort involved, I'm not interested in your opinion.

     

    Oh dear that post says much about you.

    May be you should re read my post before going off on one.

     

     

     
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    Freddie92:

    Difference is that CTs have paid money out of their own pocket to do the scheme. Conserved PTs were appointed (some without an interview back in the good old days).

     Your right, and I'm sure there will be some mechanism to ge the money back that's been paid out. (or maybe just the additional pay recieved will suffice)

    I have no doubt that plenty of CTs do good work (sorry to burst your bubble jonowen) but its difficult to argue against some of the points in the report make in terms of this area.

    Seems like CTs will have to apply for temp PT post within the school an opportunity every teacher will be able to grasp.No doubt the additional study undertaken by CTs will give them an advantage (or at least it should)

    Remember these are just recommendations right now, still a long way to go.

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    Freddie92:

    Difference is that CTs have paid money out of their own pocket to do the scheme. Conserved PTs were appointed (some without an interview back in the good old days).

     Your right, and I'm sure there will be some mechanism to ge the money back that's been paid out. (or maybe just the additional pay received will suffice) I have no doubt that plenty of CTs do good work (sorry to burst your bubble jonowen) but its difficult to argue against some of the points in the report make in terms of this area. Seems like CTs will have to apply for temp PT post within the school an opportunity every teacher will be able to grasp. No doubt the additional study undertaken by CTs will give them an advantage (or at least it should) Remember these are just recommendations right now, still a long way to go.

     
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    Posted by: sbf 13/09/2011 at 15:38
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    Double post Doh.

    If only TES was like ever other forum and worked properly.

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