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    Posted by: gauldness 02/11/2011 at 09:33
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    As a full time cover supervisor my working day is filled with the usual cover which is more often than not illness. I've been in this job for three years now and over the last two years I've seen a steady rise in the amount of classes needed to be covered for a member of staff attending a meeting. Ours is a busy secondary school and as such my working day has no 'free' periods as there is always the usual absence to cover so I don't begrudge any additional workload brought about by this additional cover. My objection is more on the basis that the managerial aspect of the teaching role is taking priority over actual face-to-face teaching, and classes are being left with work that, by the nature of my job, cannot be delivered to a standard that could be achieved if a qualified teacher took the class. Having known teachers both working and retired I have found that the general consensus is that meetings were always scheduled after school hours in the past. I just wanted to see if others have found this new trend which I have experienced to be the case in other schools.

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    Posted by: madenglishgirl 02/11/2011 at 11:52
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    Interesting....

    I find myself covering a lot for teachers in meetings as well - I think they (my school at least) are taking full advantage of having cover 'on tap'...annoying, but there you go.

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    Posted by: hellcatgreen 02/11/2011 at 14:44
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    I have to regularly cover the senior managements classes for meetings.
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    Posted by: madenglishgirl 02/11/2011 at 16:32
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    Your senior management teach?! Wink

    joking aside, I do regularly cover for one of our SMT - his class have only had him 3 times this year! He has them once a week....

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    Posted by: gauldness 03/11/2011 at 09:09
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    I have to agree that the vast majority of meeting cover comes from taking SMT classes, one member of the SMT has at least one class covered a week with a knock on effect of causing behavioural problems through inconsistant teaching.

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    Posted by: hellcatgreen 03/11/2011 at 09:27
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    madenglishgirl:

    Your senior management teach?! Wink

    joking aside, I do regularly cover for one of our SMT - his class have only had him 3 times this year! He has them once a week....

    Yup.  All the SMT teach, even the head (albeit one group one subject only).  they all have a timetable, but also have meetings, and so I find myself covering at least two SMT meetings a  week. Like the OP, I am regularly covering a Yr 7 class, which, while nice for me, means they have only seen their actual subject teacher 3 times so far this year ...

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    Posted by: Timberwolf 04/11/2011 at 06:37
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    Hi there,

    Meetings after school were reduced for teachers to only one hour per week after school under the workload agreement. That is why there are few after school these days. In some ways this was a good thing as I knew one HOD who kept her staff until 6pm at least once a week.

    But SMT are not under the same restriction because of their pay and conditions so they could still have meetings after school.

    But to be honest schools have gone meeting mad. In my first school our department used to have one meeting ever half term and the school still managed to come very close to the top of the league tables and get good OFSTED reports.

    I think its a case of more meetings means we are doing better? As for your SMT who has only seen his/her class 3 times he/she should be told what he/she is actually there for.

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    Posted by: RevBev 06/11/2011 at 16:46
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     Oh yes, it happens in my school too. Along with teachers who only work 2 days a week using one of those days to have dental appointments, or one of their few lessons to observe another teacher or have a meeting in.... One SMT person with barely 9 hours a week to teach using precisely those lessons to do other stuff in.....  

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    Posted by: darkness 06/11/2011 at 23:46
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    gauldness:
    Having known teachers both working and retired I have found that the general consensus is that meetings were always scheduled after school hours in the past. I just wanted to see if others have found this new trend which I have experienced to be the case in other schools.
    It tends to still be the case in a majority of cases, that meetings occur after or before school hours. I have noted a small number who for some unknown reason no longer do the paperwork for roles at home or after school etc and so take time during the day to complete these and so need cover for classes. It depends on the teacher, but some do it because in reality I don't think they are cut out for teaching and cannot handle a full week.

    What used to happen if you found you had a mighty load of paperwork and meetings were the meeting took place after school, you would teach your class, introduce the topic, be on hand to help should it be needed, but you get on with some of the paperwork whilst doing all of this at the desk in the room.

    I find single tasking is much more common these days. Unable to do multiple roles at once. Either/or seems to be how they are coming out of teaching school.

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    Posted by: Pennyforyourthoughts 09/11/2011 at 12:00
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    BEFORE I START THIS IS NOT A DIG AT COVER SUPERVISORS.................................... This is a concern that pupils in schools are now having more and more lessons with cover, whether that is by the TA, HLTA or cover supervisors I will leave out supply teachers as they seem to be few and far between when it comes to scheduled cover or cover for sickness and meetings now. 10% of every school will have supervisors for the PPA time, that seems to be standard throughout the country...... HOWEVER...... add to this the hours of cover for teacher illnesses + meetings + any other reasons and the % of cover for the average school AND pupils must now be reaching 15 - 20%. I note the concern 'for being available for cover' to actually cover anything and everything that SMT want you to. I question who is monitoring the excessive amount of cover being undertaken in schools by non teaching staff + what is being covered by supply teachers. Certainly not the government from the letter I have received from them .... it quoted ............ we have confidence in the Head Teachers and Governors working withing their legal remit' the letter went on to say.... we anticipate that schools will be given even more 'freedom' to meet their local needs in the future. This delegation of responsibility is most probably the reason for you seeing a change in your cover requirements and patterns............. WHO IS GONG TO SPEAK UP FOR THE PUPILS ...... it sounds like it might have to be the Cover Supervisors..................... to say enough is enough pupils need the permanent teachers to be available for when they should be teaching. Over to you cover supervisors
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