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    Posted by: gail330 18/11/2011 at 16:28
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    Hi,

    I am writing a disertation on lesson observations, and i am looking for FE lecturers opinions of the internal, and external (ofsted) process.

     

    After being in FE for over 10 years i have had my fair share of these, however i feel that the grading system is not fit for purpose. I have been lucky enough to gain grade 1's for the last 5 years, but i fully know that the observations were out of context of my normal sessions, and that to gain a grade 1 you need to 'play the game' However, not to appear bias, i am wanting colleagues opinions of observations. Do you feel they are out of context, and that grade one is unachievable as an everyday session (23 hrs per week?) do you feel that grade 2 should be the new grade one, which would enable us to keep a consistency in the room? Do you feel there are far too many observations and expectations derived from these on staff, which lead to stress and illness?

     

    Any more comments on observations would be great fully received (clean ones!) also if you have your colleges observation framework/checklist it would be interesting to compare (anonymously) a variety of colleges.

     

    Also, i am interviewing an ofsted inspector (lucky me!) any questions you'd like me to ask?

     

    Thanks

     

     

     

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    Posted by: shirtandtie 29/11/2011 at 11:04
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    gail330:
    Do you feel they are out of context, and that grade one is unachievable as an everyday session (23 hrs per week?) do you feel that grade 2 should be the new grade one, which would enable us to keep a consistency in the room?

    I'd agree with you but clearly Ofsted don't. See last week's TES.

    My criticisms are twofold; that observations are snap shots in time when teachers are wearing their Sunday best and are therefore unreliable as a real measure of 'quality', and that secondly what really counts in terms improving learning is relfective practice, and this can't be measured without using a developmental model of observation.

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    Posted by: cosmos 30/11/2011 at 14:36
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    I would add a third: A grade 1 is virtually impossible if you are being observed by someone who has had no experience of the level you are teaching - e.g. Entry and level 1. They cannot seem to understand that if you have a class where all turn up with a pen, do not fight, swear or storm out of the room is a massive achievement. It may not be measurable but should be recognised.

    I have never been observed by anyone, internal or external, who had experience of lower level ability and have had to argue my case quite vehemently on occasion.

    I was once observed teaching the class from hell - Level 1, all boys. I was complimented on my ability to maintain order and discipline, on my ability to react to the class dynamics, on my flexibility and then had my grade 1 taken away because my lesson plan did not reflect the activities that had taken place.

    Gave up after that. Taught to please the class not the observers.
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    Posted by: shirtandtie 01/12/2011 at 13:12
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    cosmos:

    I was once observed teaching the class from hell - Level 1, all boys. I was complimented on my ability to maintain order and discipline, on my ability to react to the class dynamics, on my flexibility and then had my grade 1 taken away because my lesson plan did not reflect the activities that had taken place.

    Been there for sure.

    I was once criticised for a lack of differentiation. I pointed out how the exercise questions I was using were progresively harder and graded, and how I expected some students to complete all questions, whilst some only had to complete the basic ones. The observer (who was also an Ofsted inspector) accepted this but; 'it wasn't in your lesson plan so I can't give your credit for it'

    C'est la vie

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    Posted by: zinzan 10/12/2011 at 20:54
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    Interesting points, should observations therefore be unannounced? If so its unions that are normally the ones preventing this. Of course its a show and we are all grade 1 on some days and 4 on others. I observe a lot and the tension is a lot less when no grades are attached, but we're in the world of measuring everything Work for Ofsted and be glad to help if you've have any other questions. Good project to do I reckon
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    Posted by: vivapanchovilla 25/01/2012 at 16:00
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    You need to look at Dr Matt O'Leary's research. He's the expert in the field and is based at Wolverhampton University

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    Posted by: missdbus 26/01/2012 at 10:29
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    Agree with all - for some learners their greatest achievement will be turning up and not starting a fight with another student. Passing their level 1 qual comes second to a teen who learns to manage their temper but if I could give them a qual in that, I would.

    It seems to me that we can buy ourselves a bit of leeway if we write on the lesson plan that X and Y have various issues that are currently being worked on so as to not be pulled down on it. Obviously this requires a crystal ball to predict all sorts of potential upsets that could hamper progress in the lesson.

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    Posted by: jackw 27/01/2012 at 11:30
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    I think there is an underlying conflict between giving people a grade and improving their performance. If we are being given a grade we need it to be the best it can be so we will not deliver a normal lesson. Therefore, the observation is not valid.

    Internal observations are also notoriously subjective and used as a way to reward favourites and get rid of the unfavoured.

    If we want to improve teaching, observations should be ungraded and the observer should work with the observee over a number of weeks to show them how to address any weaknesses. I would never say to a student "You need to use more commas and I'll come back in a year and see whether you are" which is in effect what happens with teaching observations.

    I understand that Ofsted need to measure quality and that grades are the most obvious way to do this but I don't see anything useful about the yearly graded internal observation.

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    Posted by: cardoon 29/01/2012 at 12:43
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    Assessing teachers' performance is highly problematic and grading is a crude instrument. It raises innumerable questions about reliability, validity and fairness.

    I have done many observations over the years and it is easy to spot poor teachers. It is not at all easy to grade accurately those who are performing competently. Inevitably, observers often fall back on bureaucratic criteria such as those identified by previous posters. The fall-out in terms of ill will, demotivation and confidence means that the grading system is highly destructive.

    Once upon a time class observations (ungraded) were seen as a supportive mechanism to encourage and guide teachers. Does anyone see an observation in that spirit now?

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    Posted by: Puddleglumish 07/02/2012 at 09:03
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    Where I work we see the lesson observation as being an opportunity to show what you can do as a teacher with an acceptance that this is not going to be the normal standard of everyday teaching - that we will be turning out 2s on a day to day basis with some 1s and some 3s. 

    As I read the criteria for a grade 1 lesson however it gives the impression that to get this you should be consistently delivering this standard of teaching.  The students have to be clearly motivated, highly engaged and making spontaneous relevant comments.  They must be turning up raring to go and leaving reluctantly, still talking about the work. 

    Unless the teacher is prepared to work him/herself into the ground preparing every lesson to the nth degree, risking burn out in the process, this is clearly impractical.

    I have had conversations with people from a different college where they have 2 week period when any lesson could be observed.  Teaching staff are required to show the lesson plans for previous and subsequent lessons for the lesson observed.  The observers see a small but significant number of grade 4 lessons and have to take action to deal with them.  We rarely if ever see a grade 4 lesson being delivered.

    So what is the best way to deal with this?  Making level 2 the new level one seems realistic and would reflect more accurately the standard of teaching around us.  Can this be done without accusations of lowering standards?  Possibly not.

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