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Ballinger gets ‘flood of complaints’ over supply cover

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    Posted by: SecondarySupplyTeacher 16/12/2011 at 15:14
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    http://www.scottishsupplyteachers.com

    original article   http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6155985

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    Posted by: socrates82 16/12/2011 at 17:01
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    Well done to TES and all who helped in flagging up this disgrace!
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    Posted by: MissMinnie 16/12/2011 at 18:20
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    One teacher describes being “caught out with the ‘continuous’ clause, saying: “I worked every day for two weeks in three different schools, thinking my second week would be paid at the top of the scale. Had a shock when I got my pay slip. I didn’t realise that the proper salary scale only started if you were covering the same class for five continuous days.”

     If it is known from the outset that you are working 5 days or more then you should be paid to scale from day 1.  As it has been explained to me by several sources, including a union rep, payment at the lower 'daily' rate is not official, some authorities are chosing to implement it.

     

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    Posted by: kibosh 16/12/2011 at 18:46
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    MissMinnie:
    If it is known from the outset that you are working 5 days or more then you should be paid to scale from day 1.

    Yes.

     

    Or if it is known on day 2 that the teacher will be off for more than 5 days, or on day 3, or on day 4, when, for example, a doctors sick line is issued. There are many instances where schools are entirely correct in paying the full rate before the 5 day 'threshhold' is reached.

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    Posted by: socrates82 16/12/2011 at 19:17
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    The whole idea of having to work a consecutive number of days before you are paid your due rate is ludicrous.

    If you were to say to a plumber or a gas-fitter, you'll pay them half pay because "it's the first five days", they would laugh in your face.

    Any profession which values itself, and the service it gives, should stand for this no longer.

    Tell any school that calls you: Full Pay, from the First Day ... or it's No Way Jose!

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    Posted by: kibosh 17/12/2011 at 13:02
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    Socrates, I don't think anybody on here is disputing the fact that the new pay arrangements are anything but ludicrous. But there appears to be some confusion surrounding when a school should start to pay a teacher their full rate.

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    Posted by: socrates82 17/12/2011 at 14:27
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    I would say they should pay the full rate from Day One kibosh.

    That's what we should keep insisting on ... until this whole rotten idea is thrown where it belongs ... in the dustbin.

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    Posted by: socrates82 17/12/2011 at 14:36
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    PS Ken Cunningham is admitting that Head Teachers "will find ways of rewriting the book".

    To me, this shows that this system is not only unfair, but unworkable.

    The only level playing field is ... Full Pay from the First Day!
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    Posted by: kibosh 17/12/2011 at 17:44
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    socrates82:
    I would say they should pay the full rate from Day One kibosh.
    In an ideal world. Meanwhile, people have to know what the rules actually are.

    " . . .Where it is known at the outset that the period of engagement is to be more than 5 days then the teacher should be issued with a fixed term contract as described in Appendix 2.8 paragraph 3.1 of the SNCT Handbook. "

    Outset? This leaves a grey area of sufficient vagueness it appears the LAs and schools are filling in the 'blank' as they like. Unplanned absences, just like ill health itself, do not run to nice, neat schedules. If on day 2 of an absence, it is found out through a sick line perhaps that the teacher's absence will continue for more than a week, then the supply teacher should get paid to scale from day 2 and not from day 5.

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    Posted by: socrates82 17/12/2011 at 18:27
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    kibosh:

     

    socrates82:
    I would say they should pay the full rate from Day One kibosh.
    In an ideal world. Meanwhile, people have to know what the rules actually are.

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    If an ideal world is one where people are not discriminated against because they are temporary then that's the only world I'll settle for.

    These rules are unjust and unworkable - I don't think we should even bother trying to work them out.

    I just don't see why we should ever accept this "rationale" for consecutive days before you get paid what you are due.

    If we refuse to work for a pittance, then the system will crash.

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