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    Posted by: dizzymai 21/12/2011 at 15:15
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    We were recently Ofsted-ed and got a satisfactory. Our Head has told us that it's (mainly) all about the data and that our pupils are not making good enough progress or leaving Y6 with good enough results- currently they are all around the seventies in % and have stagnated for the past several yrs. Progress, as you all know, is based on how many sublevels etc pupils make in KS1 and KS2 (we are primary).

    In our last staff meeting our Head explained that Ofsted always look at the data and make their decision about a school mainly on the data alongside the visit. How do schools such as Steiner schools therefore get outstanding inspections when children don't even get taught to read until they are 7? and who do not track progress as mathematically as we do?

     

    Do independent schools set their own criteria?

     

     Is it true that the data is the most important marker of a school's success?

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    Posted by: robby64 21/12/2011 at 17:10
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     The achievement judgement is based on 3 years of data AND what is seen in pupils' work on site through scrutiny of pupils' books, discussions with them and through lesson observations where judgements on attainment and progress are made.  There is guidance to inspectors on judging attainment and progress which states that if the evidence on site through scrutiny of the pupils' work and attainment seen by inspectors is different to what might be suggested by the data, then the on-site evidence should take precedence.  You can see this guidance at this link:

    http://ofsted.eu/resources/supplementary-guidance-and-resources-for-inspectors

     If your school was judged to be satisfactory, then the data AND the on site evidence, which is pretty comprehensive, would have pointed to satisfactory also.  Independent schools, overseas schools and other schools that don't do national tests for whatever reason can be judged on achievement as seen in pupils' work and in  lessons and through assessments made by the school.  All independent schools are inspected either by Ofsted or another body.

     Data is a starting point for inspections, and the pre-inspection briefing will make reference to the data, but it is only a starting point.  This is illustrated in the fact that numerous schools that have low attainment have been judged to be good overall.  However, the new framework makes it difficult for schools below the floor to reach above a satisfactory judgement.

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    Posted by: dizzymai 21/12/2011 at 17:25
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    Thanks for this comprehensive answer.

    So how do schools that do not have attainment and progress data (with targets set by the government) -i'm thinking particularly of Steiner here- fit into the new framework?

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    Posted by: robby64 21/12/2011 at 20:58
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    I'm assuming you mean floor standards, since they are the only targets set by the government for progress. They don't apply to independent schools and since I think all Steiner Waldorf schools are independent, those as well.

    A search for steiner reports on the ofsted website shows that they have quite a lot of information about pupils' achievements which has been gained from school records and inspection information. Independent schools are inspected under section 157. I'm not familiar with the evaluation schedule and couldn't find it on the ofsted website, but I should't think it would mention floor standards.

     

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    Posted by: mule 28/12/2011 at 12:01
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    dizzymai:
    How do schools such as Steiner schools therefore get outstanding inspections when children don't even get taught to read until they are 7?
    Steiner schools are awarded outstanding inpections because they are inspected by other followers of Rudolf Steiner. They have their own private teacher training courses and have been granted EYFS exemptions. The Hereford Steiner school (now an Academy) used to only offer 3 GCSE's. They are now in the process of rolling out their own qualifications - the Steiner Waldorf diploma which will replace the need for pupils to take GCSE'S. http://www.dcscience.net/?p=3595
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    Posted by: dizzymai 28/12/2011 at 17:02
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    Yes I did a search and couldn't find anything. Thanks anyway. I just think it's misleading to have Ofsted judgements using the same language of Good Outstanding etc when they are not juedged on the same criteria.

     

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    Posted by: greta444 29/12/2011 at 15:55
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    Sorry - our data is consistantly below average but we got good in our inspection. We were able to explain the reasons for the poor data ie. low ability children joining us in KS 2 (we seem to attract them for some reason). Anyway, the inspectors could see we were a good school despite the data and graded us as good.
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    Posted by: dizzymai 29/12/2011 at 17:45
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    How interesting. Is your progress good then? What has happened to you contradicts what we have been told..? ;- /

    Was that a recent inspection under the new framework?

     

     

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    Posted by: dizzymai 29/12/2011 at 17:47
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     I thought Ofsted inspected Steiner schools too? (@mule or anyone who knows)

     

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    Posted by: mule 29/12/2011 at 21:10
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    Ofsted no longer inspect Steiner schools. The Schools Inspection Service (SIS) was established in 2006 to inspect schools associated with the Focus Learning Trust for the Exclusive Christian Brethren, since 2009 they also inspect Steiner Schools.

     

    More info here http://www.dcscience.net/?p=3595

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