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    Posted by: parentgovernorwich 14/01/2012 at 21:57
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    I am new to these forums, so if this topic is covered elsewhere, please do point me in the right direction.

    In November 2011, our primary school held a parent governor election.  At the time there were 8 candidates going for 4 posts so parents each got 4 votes on the ballot paper.  During the period of the election, a fifth parent governor resigned.  When the ballot papers were counted the top five candidates were appointed to the 5 vacancies.  (I am pleased to say I was one of the successful five, and none of the 8 candidates had any objection to the result).

    Move forward to mid-January 2012.  Another parent governor has just resigned.  Without any reference to the governing body as a whole, it has been announced that the person who came sixth in the November election has been appointed to the post.

    Do people think this is normal and/or acceptable practise?

    To me it seems weird to appoint somebody to a post based on the result of an election that happened two months before the vacancy existed!

    To further muddy the waters, the sixth placed candidate was at the time a serving parent governor seeking re-election after 4 years.  (The other two were not).  By re-appointing in what seems quite a dubious manner it would not seem unreasonable for people to claim that this is cronyism rather then democracy?

    Many thanks in advance for you views and advice on this.

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    Posted by: Rott Weiler 15/01/2012 at 08:44
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    I don't think it's normal or acceptable. Whether their motive was cronyism or whether the GB was just shortcutting the procedure to avoid having the (to them) hassle of organising another election so soon after the last one is impossible for anyone here to say.

    What category of school are you? If you are Community/VC the Local Authority is responsible for the conduct of PG elections, but almost invariably they delegate it to the HT to run on their behalf. If a VA/Foundation school the GB is responsible for PG elections. (And if you are an Academy it's a whole other story.)

    In Community/VC schools there are normally a set of detailed rules and procedures for the election of PG which the LA instructs the HT to follow. Ask LA Governor Servcies for a copy. Any parent can complain about what has happened to the LA and the LA could order the election to be re-run. If you are a VA/Foundation school the GB will have its own procedures which you can get from the Clerk. They might even permit this!

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    Posted by: parentgovernorwich 15/01/2012 at 10:11
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    Than you for your reply.  It's good to know it's not just me!

    Forgive my lack of knowledge about the terminology for my own school (!), but I assume we are a community school.  We are definitely not VC, VA, Foundation or a Free School so I guess we must be a community school.  We are a “standard LA funded primary school” called “xxxxx Primary School”.

    The November election had to be re-run because of mistakes made by the clerk/head/school, so it could well be that this is an attempt to save hassle / face rather than anything more Machiavellian. Not really the point though.

    You may not be surprised to hear that a lot of things don’t seem quite right at our school.  E.g. On election I asked to see the last two years GB minutes so I could get up to speed with things, in my mind a very reasonable and straight forward request.  Nearly two months later I have one set of minutes.  With regard to the others, I am told they are “in a mess and being sorted out” or some, (which are less than a year old) are “missing and actively being sought”.

    I will speak to our head and LA governor services this week and see what has gone on.  I’ll post back when I have an update.

    Thanks again for your help so far.

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    Posted by: Rott Weiler 15/01/2012 at 11:10
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    parentgovernorwich:

    Forgive my lack of knowledge about the terminology for my own school (!), but I assume we are a community school.  We are definitely not VC, VA, Foundation or a Free School so I guess we must be a community school.  We are a “standard LA funded primary school” called “xxxxx Primary School”.

     Look up your school here and it will tell you what category of school you are (under 'Type of Establishment')

    http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml;jsessionid=F5000C7403437CEA8FB2D5B6DF20D83D

     

    parentgovernorwich:

    Nearly two months later I have one set of minutes. With regard to the others, I am told they are “in a mess and being sorted out” or some, (which are less than a year old) are “missing and actively being sought”.

     

    Beginning to sound like *** up not conspiracy! I predict you'll find many more messy things that are not quite right as you go on.....

     

    I recommend you do the 'governors induction for new governors' training  (whatever they call it in your LA) if this is your first time as a governor. All LAs should be offering it.

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    Posted by: parentgovernorwich 15/01/2012 at 11:58
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     Thank you for the link - we're a community school.

     

    Rott Weiler:

    Beginning to sound like *** up not conspiracy! I predict you'll find many more messy things that are not quite right as you go on.....

     

    More than likely !

     

    Rott Weiler:

    I recommend you do the 'governors induction for new governors' training  (whatever they call it in your LA) if this is your first time as a governor. All LAs should be offering it.

     

    Yes, I did the one day intro course and found it very instructive.  I am trying to get on more courses as and when time permits.

     

    I have a  heavy week with work starting tomorrow, but I have emailed our governor services and the head to see if I can get to the bottom of this !

     


     

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    Posted by: Admin_Princess 15/01/2012 at 15:58
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    parentgovernorwich:
    I have a  heavy week with work starting tomorrow, but I have emailed our governor services and the head to see if I can get to the bottom of this !
    parentgovernorwich - I think you'd be better speaking to the clerk and Chair of governors about the minutes/accompanying papers (both of which are publicly availably documents, unless confidential), as they are the ones who have responsibility for ensuring they're produced; the Head of any school is, in effect, just another governor. In fact, they don't have to be a governor if they choose not to! Hope you don't uncover anything too hideous :-)
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    Posted by: tom clancy 16/01/2012 at 08:11
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    It wouldbe interesting to know who clerks your meetings. In a number of LAs schools can buy in the services of a fully trained governors clerk, which might help reduce the problems your GB seems to be having. Though how not being able to file minutes in chronological order is a bit beyond me.

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    Posted by: parentgovernorwich 22/01/2012 at 21:02
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    Just an update so that you know I haven’t been disappeared in mysterious circumstances !!

    I am now told that the governor resigned on the last day of term before Christmas.  That was some three weeks after the election.  The Head and CoG were involved and they consulted our governor services who agreed with the appointment.  Obviously there is a massive difference between three weeks and seven weeks and on that basis I can see that the decision makes a lot more sense.

    That said, given that this was rumbling away in the background for four weeks before it was announced to parents, I cannot understand why there was no information given to the other governors in advance.  

    At latest, if the night before it “went public” there had been a simple briefing email to all governors explaining the timeline that would have made a world of difference.  I am told that it is now understood that this was a mistake and governors will be much better informed in the future, so hopefully something good has come from this! 

    Admin Princess,  I was only speaking to the head about the appointment – I have been speaking to the Clerk and CoG about the minutes etc. 

    Tom Clancy, Our Clerk is an independent, but in fairness to her she is new to the school (but not clerking).  All the misfiled/missing documents relate to before her time – everything after she joined is in order.  You are quite right though, the fact that in the past simple filing did not take place beggars belief.  Oddly, and surprisingly the previous clerk was through the LA “Clerking Services”, but… is correct filing of minutes the clerks responsibility or the CoG ?  Although the Clerk should do it, I would guess it’s actually the CoG who would ultimately be at fault if they are missing?

     

    Personally, I think that as a school we need to get on top of the minutes issue double quick.

    Thanks everyone for your input and views.

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    Posted by: parentgovernorwich 22/01/2012 at 21:07
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    Sorry about the weird formatting - don't know what heppened there !

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    Posted by: Rott Weiler 23/01/2012 at 07:28
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    parentgovernorwich:

    … is correct filing of minutes the clerks responsibility or the CoG ?  Although the Clerk should do it, I would guess it’s actually the CoG who would ultimately be at fault if they are missing?

     It's the clerk's responsibility to file  minutes properly and the clerk who is at fault if they don't - keeping the Minutes is one of a clerk's statuory functions under the Procedures Regulations - but the clerk is appointed by and accountable to the whole GB for carrying out their job properly. If the Chair became aware that the Minutes weren't filed but did nothing about it then yes the Chair is at fault, but the Chair isn't normally personally responsible for filing the Minutes or checking up that the clerk is doing it. The Chair, and the GB as a whole, is entitled to assume the clerk is filing the minutes properly unless they have some reason to believe otherwise.

     

    Re your formatting comment, sometimes this happens if you've written your posting first in eg Word and then copy and paste it into the TES Forum. Word formatting codes confuse the Forum! The way to avoid that when you paste text into this Forum is to use the icon 'Paste as Plain Text' in the menu bar [clipboard with a T on it] rather than using normal keyboard 'paste' shortcuts

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