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    Posted by: sos1 17/01/2012 at 16:05
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    Have just spent and afternoon writing to my list MSPs about supply teaching pay, loss of teaching posts and general instability in Scottish Education these days.....looking forward to my reply. Used www.writetothem.com to send group email. Feel better getting it out there!Thumbs up

    Ironic use of time eh?

    Is it just me or does anyone else feel the momentum is building.....?

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    Posted by: CanuckGrrl 17/01/2012 at 17:36
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    sos1:
    does anyone else feel the momentum is building

    Dundee's SNP-led council is proposing to cancel PE and music specialists in primary, but not to worry, primary teachers are trained to deliver those programs. Aye right.

    For the record, here's the Courier story, and a link to a blog by one of the Labour councillors---scroll down for his posts on the proposals as well as his take on the supply fiasco created by Mr Russell & Co. At least someone is speaking out. Anyone have any more examples? 

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Dundee/article/20299/school-music-tuition-faces-cuts-under-3-5m-city-council-savings-plan.html

    "Visiting specialists in music and physical education would be removed on a phased basis to save £77,000.

    There are 5.6 FTEs in music and 6.2 in PE, and the council say primary teachers are already fully trained to deliver the music and PE curricula. There is also support available from the arts and PE areas."


    http://lauriebidwell.blogspot.com/

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    Posted by: airy 17/01/2012 at 17:48
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    I've been writing to my MSPs for months now. Any replies from government just talk about the grave financial situation and tough choices. I keep at it but you're right - it takes all of us pestering politicians to actually influence them.
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    Posted by: jonowen 17/01/2012 at 19:18
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    CanuckGrrl:
    primary teachers are already fully trained to deliver the music
      Angry Devil Angry balls!

    having a big shout+swear out loud right now - ask any primary teacher if they feel confident enough to deliver ALL the Es+Os and they will tell you in 2 words. If they have the confidence then they are music teachers who do not have the patience required to do the demanding job which they already do so well.

     

    CanuckGrrl:
    save £77,000.
    so that is how much the Arts are worth in this country?

    Why are parents allowing this to happen? They wouldn't tolerate me teaching their wee darlings primary subjects so what is the difference? Primary teachers need to vote with their feet and refuse to teach music and PE - obviously there is a councillor in the art teachers' corner here or art would be getting taught by colouring-in amateurs (no offence to my Art teacher colleagues meant).

     

     

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    Posted by: Imsdal 17/01/2012 at 19:31
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    Aberdeen City removed theirs -(last year or the year before?) There are no specialists, that I know of, in City primaries anymore.
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    Posted by: davieee 17/01/2012 at 20:58
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    Hugh Reilly has an interesting take on Supply Teacher's pay in today's Scotsman http://www.scotsman.com/news/cartoon/hugh_reilly_don_t_be_fooled_that_isn_t_cavalry_you_hear_1_2060004
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    Posted by: jonowen 17/01/2012 at 21:26
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    Jennett:
    There are no specialists, that I know of, in City primaries anymore.

    There are very few anywhere. We have tried so hard to make music a less-elitist subject over the last 30 years and the thanks we get is we've done ourselves out of a job by making it "fun" so it looks easy. (I know I'm not making much sense but this whole thing makes me so angry; role on my retirement and I'm doing private tuition, going to charge £25 at least per hour and get back to enjoying teaching music in a calm environment - I've had more than enough agro and stress)

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    Posted by: CanuckGrrl 17/01/2012 at 21:40
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    jonowen:
    Why are parents allowing this to happen?

    joni, aye, I can't get my head around this part at all.

    If a politician in Canada DARED to reduce, let alone axe wholesale, without so much as a by-your-leave, a PE or music program in a primary school, there would be all hell to pay from the parents---they'd be up in arms and out on the streets. The general shrugging passivity here, the willingness to roll over and take whatever the powers-that-be dish out, never ceases to amaze me.

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    Posted by: CanuckGrrl 17/01/2012 at 21:49
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    Jennett:
    There are no specialists, that I know of, in City primaries anymore.

    Maybe not in this country, but throughout North America, PE, music, art, and foreign language are taught by on-staff specialist teachers in primary from P1 through P7 (that is, Kindergarten to Grade 6). I taught in a poor rural area of Canada's poorest province, and no-one ever questioned the value of having full-time music and PE teachers on staff. It's nothing to do with money, btw. It's all about political---and parental---priorities. Oh, and sensible use of human resources.
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    Posted by: ragpicker 18/01/2012 at 00:38
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    I may be misreading the article but it's not clear whether  the 'specialist music instructors' referred to means instrumental instructors or whole class music specialists. Incidentally I'm not condoning the removal of either group, I'm just wondering which group is being referred to. If it is the instrumenatl instructors there can be no argument on the grounds that a class teacher can do this. If they mean the latter I can see how this argument can be made in theory however the reality is very different. Unfortunately it's probably the case that they mean both groups.

    The comment about redeployment of specialists to secondary schools  is interesting. This suggests that the powers that be are thinking about instrumental instructors in this instance. It wouldn't suprise me if they hadn't considered the different roles of the two groups. My concern about this redeployment is that it is likely to be driven by an attainment agenda and so the instructors will be moved to those schools which are more likely to have young people being presented for national exams. This means that not only will children at primary school not get a chance to learn an instrument at a formative stage but the double whammy is that it is those children who are in more deprived areas who  even at secondary level  will now  have less opportunity. 

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