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I want to be a museum education officer.... should I take my PGCE offer in Secondary History?

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    Posted by: lonelypie 22/01/2012 at 09:48
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    Hi everyone... don't know if this is the right place to put this but I really need some professional advice. I have just been offered a place at Roehampton Uni to study Secondary History. I have made clear from the start that my career goal is not to be a secondary school teacher, but to teach in museums. I will obtain a BA (Hons) in History this year. I have absolutely no interest in marking, paperwork etc, but I think I do need the educational background in order to get a museum post in such a competitive market. Although Museum Studies courses are run across the country, they do not focus on the educational side of things, so I don't know how useful they would be to such a job. However, they appeal to me more, just because the focus is on museums themselves rather than teaching in a classroom environment. I have completed many placements now in education departments of museums and I know this is right for me. I have completed placements in schools and have learned this isn't for me! Completing a PGCE seems like a means to an end. I am the kind of person who gives something my all once its started. I just can't help feeling nervous and inadequate as I do not want to achieve the golden goal of being a secondary teacher. Any advice?
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    Posted by: lucie19 22/01/2012 at 18:41
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    From a personal point of view I am currently doing my PGCE and its tough!

    There is a couple of people on the course who are doing it for other reasons than wanting to be teachers. One has already dropped out because he hated it. It's a massive undertaking and your heart really needs to be in it to get you through.

    On the other hand Roehampton have obviously seen something in you. History is a particularly hard course to get on.

    You say that you didn't enjoy the placements you have done previously. Bear in mind that two thirds of the course will be in school working under massive pressure,

    You need to think through this very carefully. I have nearly dropped out twice because of the pressure and it's the most important thing in the world to me.

    Good luck!

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    Posted by: lonelypie 22/01/2012 at 19:46
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    Thanks lucie19 for your advice. Its slightly reassuring to know that others are completing their PGCE without the desire to become a teacher - do you know what they do want to do with the qualification? Yes the fact they have seen something in me also confuses me! After outlining my aims they are still willing to take me on (of course I am not complaining!) I know from friends and forums like these that the PGCE is a massive undertaking! I want it to be a positive experience but I know that this is not guaranteed. I am worried about wasting a lot of money... although we get the bursary, it will still cost more than the MA I mentioned earlier. On most of the placements I have been on, my supervisor has completed a PGCE in order to get on the museum education ladder so to speak... this makes me think that it is necessary, especially with competition so fierce. A PGCE is also more likely to appeal to employers than a narrow Museum Studies qualification (I think). I am currently torn, and probably going to apply to the MA course as well and decide later on with a bit more clarity. Thanks for your help...any other advice? Is anyone facing a similar decision?
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    Posted by: xrachxx 22/01/2012 at 23:19
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    Hi, I have looked into museum education jobs in the past. When looking at advertisments for education jobs in museums a lot of them seemed to want someone with a PGCE qualification. It might be helpful to look at some job adverts and see what employers ask for more often PGCE or Masters in museum studies.

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    Posted by: Maenoferren 23/01/2012 at 14:56
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    As an aside to your request for information. Knowing people in the industry is that the jobs are very popular especially with ex teachers and for this reason the wages are relatively low. But based on what people have said in the past they are on the whole looking for a PGCE, if for no other reason than they can then 'choose' who they want, however ask about in museums etc based on where you are. My wife became an education officer without one. She had an archaeology degree though so that helped in the museum in question so your history degree might be to your advantage. Just because you have a PGCE doesnt necessarily mean you can deal with pupils in a museum setting, so is it worth the PGCE or is it worth seeing if people will take you on without one. Just a thought. Big Smile

    depending on your term times could you get into a museum or two and volunteer? you will then get some experience in the setting, this would be on top of your work placement activities and you never know once you have got your foot in the door something may come up, Museums like schools are a small community and people know people who may be looking for someone.

    Apologiwes for the ramblings, little one is giving us four hours sleep a night at best and two at worst... so if anyone is doing an experiment on sleep deprivation I am your man Confused

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    Posted by: lonelypie 23/01/2012 at 18:38
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    Thank you for your thoughtful reply - I hope you get some more sleep tonight! I think you are right about it being a matter of getting my foot in the door, I just can't help but think having a PGCE will push my foot further into this door!! I'm still working on getting experience. This week I start volunteering at a local heritage site with the education department. I do keep building on my experience, but I am always assisting - I am worry that because of this my experience may be irrelevant as it doesn't actually show I can teach... a PGCE would a bit more? PGCE horror stories all over TES forums however put me off it! It especially worries me as a lot of what I will learn on the course doesn't interest me. This combined with the difficulty and intensity of the course might make it a bad option... Did your wife have relevant experience before getting the job or did she happen to be in the right place at the right time? Thank you again
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    Posted by: lonelypie 23/01/2012 at 18:39
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    Thanks xrachxx for your help. Did you pursue this career path? Any advice?
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    Posted by: xrachxx 23/01/2012 at 19:58
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    Hi, I did volunteer at a National Trust property for a while and speaking to the education officer there she suggested that the reason they ask for a PGCE is that it shows you are interested in working with children and that it gives you the ability to be able to relate activities to the national curriculum therefore making educational visits appealing to teachers as pupils would learn things related. I think with most things the more experience you can get in museums the better, and volunteering helps get your foot in the door! I decided in the end the end I would rather teach history in secondary schools and have just been accepted onto the history PGCE course at Nottingham. Hope that helped

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    Posted by: Maenoferren 24/01/2012 at 10:32
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    Keep up with the volunteering it shows people you are able to do the job - even an assistant is able to show their true colours. When I was teaching full time, there were teaching assistants I could rely on to walk out the room and to be honest they should have been teachers and not assistants. You could politely come up with ideas of your own and let them know you are able to think on your feet and can plan. They will see you working with kids, the PGCE route as a means to an ends might look just like that especially if you dont actually go into a school and teach. And if you dont want to, is it worth putting yourself though it? Once you get into the new place have an informal chat with them and see what they think about what you need.

    I decided I wanted to be an educational officer, I had all the qualifications for the Roman sites I wanted on Hadrians wall, plus I had my own Roman Kit - sad man that I am Embarrassed but in the end it was the cut in salary which stopped me.

    From what I rmember Es was doing an MA in Museum studies after her Archaeology degree but she applied for the job.

    I just phoned her up to check and she suggests go for a MA in heritage management and interpretation rather than the PGCE but make sure it is a one that covers education and teaching too. This is normally a one year course full time or two part time. She also says keep yup with the volunteering to get plenty of experience under your belt.

    On the side of the PGCE you can always be a teacher if you cant get into a museum, but to be honest  if you really dont want to teach I wouldnt recommend going down that route just for your own sanity Big Smile

    hope it helps

    5 hours sleep last night so feeling a bit more human today Sleepy

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    Posted by: lonelypie 25/01/2012 at 14:04
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    Thanks again for your advice! This kind of advice from people in the field my Uni career service can't really provide. I'm currently applying for a part time tour guiding role at a museum, so you never know where that may take me! I am aware of the low wages! Although currently I don't really mind, and just want to do a job I love, I know when its time for me to settle down I may need to be slightly more realistic! But until that time, the aim still stands. I see what you mean with regards to doing the PGCE and then not teaching! It probably will look both good and bad on the CV. Hmmm. It's such a dilemma, especially with funding to the arts cut meaning there are no relevant internships (which was another option I considered). As you recommended, I'm going to keep the volunteering up and see where it leads. Glad you got some more sleep!
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