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    Posted by: issor2 22/01/2012 at 19:37
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    I fear for academic pupils in the lower school. Will they be able to fulfill their potential or will they be stifled in the name of active learning and experiences?
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    Posted by: segbog 22/01/2012 at 20:10
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    Cfe is about everyone is a winner - unfortunately it's rubbish. We dumb down and forget about why we are actually teaching. Not everyone can get a qually yet everyone does now...total rubbish. Inclusion sucks and undermines our society. Whatever happened to kids being quiet, learning, and getting better. Hijacked by Jordanhill tools and stupid ideas. Had enough.
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    Posted by: Imsdal 22/01/2012 at 21:32
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    Dunno how much of my teaching practise is CfE (although I am a newish teacher) but I have a small group of v. keen and able (academic?) pupils in my class. I encourage and push them on to fulfil their full potential and believe that we can do this through active learning and child led learning. They are currently learning times tables and are often "active" in chanting their tables together and testing one another (peer assessment?).
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    Posted by: CheesyWotsits 23/01/2012 at 18:09
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    issor2:
    I fear for academic pupils in the lower school. Will they be able to fulfill their potential or will they be stifled in the name of active learning and experiences?
    If done correctly (ie active learning = active brain) then it has the potential to do the exact opposite.
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    Posted by: issor2 23/01/2012 at 18:57
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    I don't dispute that. However, I worry that we may end up with children who will be put in to a state of shock when they alight on a university campus after all these years spent learning in an active way.

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    Posted by: CanuckGrrl 23/01/2012 at 19:10
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    issor2:
    I worry that we may end up with children who will be put in to a state of shock when they alight on a university campus after all these years spent learning in an active way.

    The misguided interpretation of "active" learning as "bums off seats" learning has already led many primary children, in my school, at least, to expect school to be continuous fun---five hours of teacher-organised entertainment, like a party! So never mind the shock when they get to uni---I wonder what will happen when they get to secondary.

    Not to mention the world of work: we are doing a whole generation of children a huge disservice by leading them to think that learning must be easy and fun. Sure, learning is exciting and mind-stretching and life-expanding---I'd argue that it's the most important thing they will ever do---, but for that very reason it's also hard and serious work that demands their best attention and performance, and we're doing them a huge disservice leading them to think otherwise.

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    Posted by: segbog 23/01/2012 at 19:26
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    CanuckGrrl:
    Not to mention the world of work: we are doing a whole generation of children a huge disservice by leading them to think that learning must be easy and fun. Sure, learning is exciting and mind-stretching and life-expanding---I'd argue that it's the most important thing they will ever do---, but for that very reason it's also hard and serious work that demands their best attention and performance, and we're doing them a huge disservice leading them to think otherwise.
    I thankyou...
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    Posted by: CheesyWotsits 23/01/2012 at 20:04
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    issor2:

    I don't dispute that. However, I worry that we may end up with children who will be put in to a state of shock when they alight on a university campus after all these years spent learning in an active way.

    Again, only if done incorrectly. The most successful at university when I was a student there were the ones who were able to do independent original research. For that, you need to be able to use your brain for more than memorising facts for an exam (which is what I assume you are meaning is being missed out in favour of active learning). Active learning means the brain is active, not the body.
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    Posted by: lookinglost 23/01/2012 at 20:09
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    issor2:
    I worry that we may end up with children who will be put in to a state of shock when they alight on a university campus after all these years spent learning in an active way.

    I think pretty much through my entire time at uni I learnt in an active way.  I was terrible at school when we were sat in rows and my teachers just told me to do x and y because it was in an exam.  The teaching wasn't good for the academic pupils and it put me at a disadvantage I would argue as I was not challenged or engaged.  School for me was nothing like being at uni.  At uni we were given problems that we had to find solutions to, lectures were about giving us skills and strategies that could be used to solve these problems. I think you could argue that almost every subject at uni expects active learning.  Some more than othes of course.

    CanuckGrrl:
    The misguided interpretation of "active" learning as "bums off seats" learning

    I think you've got it spot on CanuckGrrl, this is either down to those in charge not taking the time to find out what active learning really just not getting it.

    CanuckGrrl:
    Not to mention the world of work: we are doing a whole generation of children a huge disservice by leading them to think that learning must be easy and fun. Sure, learning is exciting and mind-stretching and life-expanding---I'd argue that it's the most important thing they will ever do---, but for that very reason it's also hard and serious work that demands their best attention and performance, and we're doing them a huge disservice leading them to think otherwise.

    Spot on.  I don't see that CfE makes us all have to teach constantly "fun" and "bums off seats" lessons.  I see that more as a problem from individual school management.  Today two of my top classes spent most of their time in silence working individually.  They were learning actively at the time and I often get very positive feedback from them.

    What's stopping CfE from being academic enough for all children in the main is a lack of money to provide an adequate number of resources (from subject specialists to paper for photocopying) and of course time.  You cannot expect every teacher to do all they are asked to do already and produce fully differentiated material for every child in a class of 30 mixed ability pupils for new courses.  

    Please excuse the length of the post.

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    Posted by: Old_Pa_Grumpinuts2 23/01/2012 at 21:20
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    CanuckGrrl:

    issor2:
    I worry that we may end up with children who will be put in to a state of shock when they alight on a university campus after all these years spent learning in an active way.

    The misguided interpretation of "active" learning as "bums off seats" learning has already led many primary children, in my school, at least, to expect school to be continuous fun---five hours of teacher-organised entertainment, like a party! So never mind the shock when they get to uni---I wonder what will happen when they get to secondary.

    Not to mention the world of work: we are doing a whole generation of children a huge disservice by leading them to think that learning must be easy and fun. Sure, learning is exciting and mind-stretching and life-expanding---I'd argue that it's the most important thing they will ever do---, but for that very reason it's also hard and serious work that demands their best attention and performance, and we're doing them a huge disservice leading them to think otherwise.

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