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    Posted by: Fizzbobble 23/01/2012 at 20:08
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     Hi - I'm new here.  I'm doing PGCE Secondary.  I am looking to work in a FE college but I'm only getting negative comments about it.  The FE sector has certainly attracted me, so can somebody please reassure me that all the secondary teachers at my placement school are just doom- mongering?  

    I keep being told how awful the pay is (looks pretty similar to schools, to my mind!), and how I will still have to tell the pupils off, and basically, that it isn't as super fun as slogging away in a state secondary.  This cannot be true, right?

     I want to teach pupils that chose the subject (I'll be teaching a 'wanted' one) and actually make use of my degrees!

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    Posted by: shirtandtie 24/01/2012 at 07:09
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    Fizzbobble:
    I keep being told how awful the pay is

    It varies. In some colleges it is significantly less, in others it is in the same ball park

    Fizzbobble:
    and how I will still have to tell the pupils off, and basically, that it isn't as super fun as slogging away in a state secondary.  This cannot be true, right?

    Again it varies. I hardly ever get any classroom management issues, but some of my colleagues struggle with it (and some are horse whisperers).

    Fizzbobble:
     I want to teach pupils that chose the subject

    Again it varies, but this may be possible, most of my students have chosen to take the course, but this is not always true. Even when students choose a course there may have been an element of compulsion.

    Fizzbobble:
    actually make use of my degrees!

    A definite plus for me, (I teach L3 up), but some of my colleagues teach L1/2 school rejects, (and some are happy to do so, others not).

    The other plus I would add is smaller classes where you can really get to know every student.

    The bad side; the paperwork and admin.

    Lastly, I do have to address the title of your post; I'm afraid there are some who work in FE because they couldn't get a job anywhere else.

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    Posted by: anon740 24/01/2012 at 13:47
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    I totally agree with S&T! Other benefits:

    1. No national curriculum to worry about

    2. No supervision duties during break, lunch etc

    3. For many courses, no babying (i.e. Good morning class, write the title, date, etc on the board in school. In Colleges, they just do it!)

    4. The best one for me is being able to treat and be treated as an equal when dealing with the better behaved/'more able' students (i.e. I'm addressed by my first name not Miss B and there's more of an interaction when teaching. E.g. When teaching a topic, I like it when we debate stuff and when they disagree, we can discuss it, instead of the students just writing down what I say and learning it verbatim and then whinging that what I said wasn't in the exam!)

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    Posted by: Ska83gbr 24/01/2012 at 16:25
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    The biggest differences, in my mind, are:-

    - FE is not as regimented as school (no buzzer/bell, no uniforms, no scheduled breaks, first-name terms) for both students AND staff

    - The "pound of flesh" factor I find at FE to be a lot less than at school. Of course you will be expected to teach at least once a week in the evenings or offer extra-curricular syllabus-related activities if on a full-time contract but there are no sports days, PE, prizegivings etc to attend.

    - Currently students elect to attend College, which results in a huge effect on students' motivation. I have never experienced "behaviour issues". Likewise with all of my colleagues, "firefighting" just doesn't happen here. You are able to delegate some responsibility for learning to your students (as FE is a half-way house between school and Uni/emoloyment), treat your students as young adults and as such the feeling of independence and respect they receive tends to quash any desire to "play up".

    - The "type" of students you will be teaching varies wildly with the subjects you teach at college. Some subject areas attract certain kinds of students.

    - The atmosphere at a thriving FE college is superior to that of a Secondary School due to the huge variety of qualifications, age of students (adults and teens) and the mix of vocational AND academic studies.

    Paperwork and admin is fine. Any public-sector job is the same and shouldn't really have any bearing on your decision. As for the standard of teaching, again, maybe it is this individual college but the standard of teaching is superb as evidenced by our latest OFSTED report (1's across the board) and my own observations.

     

    Just my two cents. I was built for FE!

     

    SKA

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    Posted by: anon740 24/01/2012 at 16:32
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    Ska83gbr:
    - Currently students elect to attend College, which results in a huge effect on students' motivation. I have never experienced "behaviour issues". Likewise with all of my colleagues, "firefighting" just doesn't happen here. You are able to delegate some responsibility for learning to your students (as FE is a half-way house between school and Uni/emoloyment), treat your students as young adults and as such the feeling of independence and respect they receive tends to quash any desire to "play up".
    I'd love to teach at your College, as many of my colleagues would disagree with you here, especially those teaching BTEC courses below level 3! That said, what you describe was certainly true of my A-level students!

    Ska83gbr:
    Paperwork and admin is fine.
    Again, I'd love to work at your college, as at my previous college, a lot of it was pointless, ever-changing and consequently the bane of everyone's life, especially those teaching...lalala.

    Ska83gbr:
    As for the standard of teaching, again, maybe it is this individual college but the standard of teaching is superb as evidenced by our latest OFSTED report (1's across the board) and my own observations.

    This says it all! My previous college was graded as good but went through a lot of changes, so it will be interesting to see what OFSTED thinks of it this year!

    I still prefer post 16 teaching to school teaching though!

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    Posted by: Fizzbobble 25/01/2012 at 12:24
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     Thanks for your replies.  I guess I just hope that my mentors would wish me luck and not slate my choice...!  It doesn't inspire one with confidence when writing an application form!

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    Posted by: teachered 25/01/2012 at 23:11
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    Ska83gbr:
    As for the standard of teaching, again, maybe it is this individual college but the standard of teaching is superb as evidenced by our latest OFSTED report (1's across the board) and my own observations.

    Someone is wrong.  It's you or Ofsted, as Ofsted has just published its annual review of FE and again commented that no provider has been judged outstanding for teaching and learning.

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    Posted by: poemeelectronique 26/01/2012 at 09:16
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     I think that everyone here has fallen on their feet compared to my experiences of FE. I appear to have experience almost completely the opposite.  I haven't had good experiences although that hasn't always been the case.  It really does depend on the college you end up in and doing your homework is vital.

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    Posted by: cosmos 26/01/2012 at 12:24
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    It must also be remembered that many people teach in FE because their specialist subject isn't taught in schools. Eg.....agriculture, horiculture, animal care, textiles....etc...

    I started by teaching adults in FE which I loved. They really wanted to learn. Afer several years I was shunted off to teach Level 1s which was horrendous. Yes they chose to come but the behaviour was dreadful and the support from management was minimal a) because they had no experience of teaching 'difficult' youngsters and were clueless about classroom management and b) they reallly didn't think they were important enough to the college.

    The other point is that people often stay in FE, however unhappy, because where else can you go? If you are a lecturer in Animal Management you don't want to find yourself working in a pet shop because that is all that is available.

    So the fact that people come to ,and stay in, FE shouldn't blind you to the fact that it is far from perfect although many people do stay because they love teaching and they love teaching their particular subject and they do it for less money, fewer holidays and longer hours. Mr Gove please note.....

     

     

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    Posted by: rubymurray 26/01/2012 at 12:35
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    Tend to agree that it is dependent on which college you work at. Most of our students are generally well behaved and you can relate to them on a one to one level. However, there are a lot of students that are there because they have to. Those that prove to be trouble makers are hard to stop due to the money they attract and the colleges reluctance to do anything. Must admit that I do enjoy teaching in a college and the only downside is the paperwork generated and duplicated just for the sake of it. Do your research first and find out what its like before you jump and keep in mind that just because it worked out ok for some it doesn't mean it will do for you.

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