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    Posted by: Dairlylea 23/01/2012 at 21:59
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    As a TA in Surrrey, I am on a 39 week contract. My pay is spread over the 52 weeks, but I only get paid the hours I work. Basically no pay for a quarter of the year. I am under the impression that in other areas TAs get paid for different numbers of weeks, some for 52. My HT is always saying I get paid almost £20,000 ( she is obsessed with pay!) but simply cannot understand that if I worked every hour the school is open I could not work for more than 27.5 hours. FTE is obviously for a 37 hour week, 52 weeks of the year. My gripe is that my earnings are limited. If you divide my earnings by 52 weeks and 37 hours it comes up under the minimum pay. I cannot work in the holidays (possibly could 'temp') so how is it right that these local governments are allowed to say our Full Time Equivalent? Full time in a school is not the same as full time in the majority of other industries. Grumpyxx
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    Posted by: R13 23/01/2012 at 22:10
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    I'm not for one minute saying assistants are paid well enough - they are not - BUT to answer your question to some extent. In my school the site manager is on the same Local Authority pay Scale as some assistants. the difference is that with play schemes etc. he does work 37 hours a week and 52 weeks a year. Do you think he shouldn't get anymore money when he starts at 6.30 in the morning rather than 9.00, and he works 52 weeks minus about 25 days holiday? As I say - I don't think assistants get paid well enough - but that's the logic
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    Posted by: snugglepot 23/01/2012 at 22:22
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    Welcome to Single Status! There are only a few counties left who are still receiving old pay scales.
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    Posted by: Yogs 23/01/2012 at 22:25
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    I think 39 weeks is the norm in most places now, it makes me cross that I don't get paid for training days, yet I have friends who are TAs in schools a short walk away who are. In the 2011 list of uk pay educational assistants were the 398th lowest paid out of 422 jobs. Midday supervisors deserve sympathy they came 422nd! I assume we are so low precisely because we can only work during term time. I love my job but I am not sure I can afford to remain a TA for much longer.
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    Posted by: Ophelia 9 24/01/2012 at 07:13
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    Yogs:
    I think 39 weeks is the norm in most places now, it makes me cross that I don't get paid for training days,

    39 weeks does include training days - children are only in school for 38 weeks of the year.  Unless you have to do another 5 days outside of normal school weeks and training days, which I believe some areas do.  However there do seem to be quite a number of people who post on here who actually don't know what their pay is made up of.  I would be surprised if anyone on a permanent contract doesn't get a holiday entitlement paid pro-rata so that the actual wage is around 39 weeks plus 8 bank holidays and a proportion of whatever basic holiday rate is, e.g. 20 days per year, making a total of around 42 - 46 weeks pay split equally over 12 months. 

    However, if you are on a temporary contract whcih does only pay for the days you actually work you should be taking this up with a union as it is not appropriate and can be challenged.  Do mget in touch with your HR department and clarify what you wages are actually based on - it is not unknown for them to being paying you incorrectly - I got back three years arrears becasue I realised I wasn't being paid my correct holiday entitlement based on my long service - not a lot of money on an average month but quite a nice little payback with it having gone on so long!

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    Posted by: downandnearlyout 24/01/2012 at 10:27
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     This is the problem, I understand, with pro rata pay.

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    Posted by: glenn_xp 24/01/2012 at 17:43
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    £19,000 FTE is a lot of money for a TA.

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    Posted by: helcoll5251 24/01/2012 at 18:01
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     Up until a few years ago, some of the TAs where I work, me included, were on a 52 wk contract. A scheme called harmonisation happened and our contracts were changed, in order to protect our wages we now work from 8:15-5, with 30 minutes for lunch plus one day in each of the holidays. This upset lots of people, I was personally just glad to protect my pay as I have a mortagage etc.

    I don't think there are many places where they still have 52 wk contracts. Its a shame as the reason we were given the original 52 wk contract was because they agreed with what you are saying, and were loosing good members of staff because of it, sadly there just isnt the money any more.

    I believe we are in for a second round of Harmonisation soon, a national scheme to bring pay better in line across the country... you can garuntee they'll take it down to the lowest rather than up to the highest... fingers crossed I will have  my degree by then and start my teacher training but lots of my colleagues aren't in the same situation as me, I wonder what will happen then :-(

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    Posted by: sheilaburslem 24/01/2012 at 18:45
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    This issue is not new. I've worked on and off as a TA for many years (18 ?) and have never been paid for more than term time plus holiday pro rata. Most recently I was on a 26 hour week contract ( we started late on one day a week when there was a long assembly).

    It is not a living wage! For me,this was fine until my husband decided to leave and I was faced with supporting myself.

     I feel it's a double bind when working tax credit, once children are no longer at home, doesn't kick in unless you work at least 30 hours. Schools could not run these days without TA's, but we're not valued by the system. I have felt very valued by staff within the school, which goes a long way, but doesn't pay the gas bill. At least some sort of retainer over the school holidays would recognise that realistically we can't just find other work to make up our hours/weeks.

    I suspect the main problem is one of supply and demand. Whilst there are plenty of parents happy to earn a low wage but have time off when their children do, no-one will feel the need to pay us better.

    I'm lucky and now have some contracted teaching hours, so will not have to leave education when my son does, but still wanted to post and show solidarity!

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    Posted by: karen04uk 24/01/2012 at 19:01
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    Fte £19000- I wish! I work 37hours pw for 39 weeks -granted my pay is spread over 12 monthly salaries but for the £900 net per month I'm certainly good value for money when you consider I have a degree and specialist educational knowledge and can cover for a teacher when it suits the head. And the reason I cannot get a rise - there is no money in the budget to support rises in ta grades. I am looking for other employment but in today's climate they are few and far between! It's about time local governments recognised our talents and true values!
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