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    Posted by: MissHoney232 24/01/2012 at 18:33
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    I graduated with a high 2:1 in July 2010 after doing a 4 year BA in Primary education. I had been given consistantky good reports throughout sthe 4 years and decided to go on to do supply for a while to get more experience. I then started applying for jobs in March 2010. since then I have sent almost 100 applications and had only about 6 interviews. Each time the interviewer said I had a fantastic interview and a great lesson, but they gave a job to someone who had completed their nqt year and had more experience. A year and a half after graduating, I am starting to feel cheated. teaching is the only thing I know I am good at and yet here I am with nothing. supply work is scarce and even when it does come about the worry and stress of not knowing what to expect makes me physically sick. All my friends seem to be moving on, getting promotions, moving out etc, I feel like I havent moved at all, in fact- it feels more like I have failed myself. I am beginning to regret wasting so so much money on my degree for nothing?! Should I keep putitng myself through this misery, or cut my losses and run?! I feel that when July 2012 comes along, I will have no choice but to do the latter. Anyone else in a smiliar situation?!
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    Posted by: Lara mfl 05 24/01/2012 at 19:07
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     And yet another, hopeful teacher-wanna-be, who isbeing denied the opportunity to give of her expertise and enthusiasm. This situation gets worse week on week!

    You say 'you feel cheated' and I think you, and hundreds like you, are being cheated!

    However, having got the rant out of the way, what can be done?

    6 interviews  over 18 months, isn't in fact that bad a ratio, but, have you taken on board all Theo's excellent advice in the clickables? I know I'm at present writing an application and find that looking back at previous applications there is still room for improvement. Coming back with a fresh eye, does provide a different perspective. So do that.

    Then as you seem to think you're losing out to others with greater experience or have completed NQT, think how to 'sell yourself' as better than these people. What do you offer which they can't?

    No, 'you haven't failed yourself'. You have just chosen to enter a truly great profession at a really difficult time, when competition is incredibly fierce and even that 'tip-top application' is being matched by many other 'top quality applications', that it's difficult to make oneself stand out. If you truly think the only job you'll ever be happy doing is teaching, I'd urgeyou to keep trying. The profession needs dedicated, enthusiastic peoplewho have lots to offer, but if things get tight financially you might have to put off that first post a couple of years-apparently numbers will be going up in the future. If you don't exceed your time limit for induction your QTS qualification will always be valid and may well succeed in the future.

    Remember, hopefully, major job-hunting season will start in a couple of months.

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    Posted by: historygrump 25/01/2012 at 08:53
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    Miss Hampson, don't give up.

    As Bronco states on the 'crushed & desperate' post, some primary kids do not have a teacher for 75% of the their time in school, because of the use of unqualified staff. So blame the politicians who adopt the 3 monkey stance 'see nowt, say nowt and do nowt', the dishonest HT who put money before education.

    We need to keep on fighting the situation, because when on average around there are 90 to 100 applicants per secondary post and for primary, this figure is 50% higher at least, there is a problem. So don't give up, apply for an extension, if you have not already got one and hope the reforms to the induction improves the situation.

     

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    Posted by: Bronco 25/01/2012 at 11:48
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    I have just posted on the Headteachers forum quoting some statistics for the use of unqualified staff rather than qualified teachers.

    The figure of 75% that Historygrump quoted was the comment from a school governor when I showed her the results of the survey that I conducted.  I have regularly said that over 60% of children in primary schools are without a teacher for part of their time in school and I consider that to be a conservative figure and should be closer to 70% rather than 60%

    In terms of the percentage figure that children are without a teacher that would be the 10% of teacher's PPA time.  When translated into subject time that could be a minimum of 20% for English and Maths but if the teacher had PPA during the time when the children are only taught a foundation subject once a week that would be 100%.  It may be more lkely that the subject is taught twice a week in which case the loss of teacher input would be 50%  Surely this goes against all the regulations/guidelines issued to schools that headteachers should take account of the proportion of subject time lost.

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    Posted by: stuart dann 25/01/2012 at 12:11
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    2 paths which might lead to jumping off the local bridge.

    1. Comparing yourself to your friends. 

    2. Listening to people who think "You= "haven't you got a job yet, so and so's daughter has"

     I am very aware of the total and utter misery this leads to, which is why it seems insane to train a huge surplus, many of whom will share the destiny. Do not underestimate the damage that running into the same wall will do. You fill in form after form after form after form and get the odd interview. This is a wearing process. By all means enter into it, but don't let it destroy you.

    After I left my contracted position, I gave supply and "applying for jobs" another 2 years. By the end of it, I was a mentally smashed up leper. There is nothing like seeing a load of your chums buying houses, having babies....becoming socially acceptable, whilst you languish at home wasting time on nothing and waiting for someone to have a vacancy.

    The most important thing is knowing when to stop it and do something else. You are no good to anyone if your mental health starts looking shaky. Again, when you look in your wallet and see only change and it's been that way for months and meanwhile your chums say "We haven't seen you, fancy coming to the XYZ?" and talk about their ABC's which is truly and fundamentally a soul smashing experience.

    There are many on here who are going through this exact process and I wish them the best luck. You can get lucky, but the art of it is knowing when to say enough.

    The employment situation around here is so dire I had no option but to start my own business. I'm still skint and I can't afford a house.......but I'm getting there and I will.

     Best of luck and best of luck. S

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    Posted by: fuzzle 25/01/2012 at 15:13
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    Some excellent advice here Miss Hampson. Particularly take note of Lara's advice on looking at Theo's clickables.

    if you look on the Unemployed Teachers, Supply Teachers and Jobseekers you'll see that there are lots of people in a similar situation to yourself (I qualified almost 5 years ago and have yet to have a contract.)

    Just remember, there is nothing wrong with you or your teaching, it's the whole farcical job situation which is at fault, with schools using unqualified staff. Will the unions or the government listen? NO!

    Take care of yourself and your health. Go for walks or do some exercise (it really does help to keep the blues at bay), volunteer in a school or, as I have done, in a nursery, update your ICT skills, read up on SEN - anything which will add something to your application.

    Good luck x

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    Posted by: daisy24 26/01/2012 at 21:47
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    Hi Miss Hampson

    I'm in a similar situation! So many of us NQTs are. I too qualified in 2010 with a PGCE @ masters and since then have been to 10 + interviews. I would advise, don't give up. You have commited a good chunk of your life to teaching and are evidently very good at it.

    I have found that a good thing to do is to register with a good several agencies, and don't be afraid to pick up a new one even if you are have already registered with many. Some schools rarely use more than one agency so getting on their books could mean getting your foot in the door at a new school. I now work one regular day per week at a certain school as a result of having attended an interview there AND being on the books of their main agency. The more contacts you can establish in the primary teaching 'world', the more your reputation will be reinforced.  

    How about looking for a part-time job outside teaching, to give you some regular income and take your mind off things RE lack of teaching jobs? Then you could commit the rest of your weekdays to supply (if available!) or applying to primary posts. Showing you can apply your skills to other areas apart from teaching will go in your favour at interview, or it should! Shows your adaptable. In summer last year I was at an all-time-low; no employment, denied jobseekers. However, the fist two jobs outside of primary teaching I applied for I got. I now do part-time nannying after school hours for a local family, and work a regular day at a nursery.

    It has seemed so easy for many of my friends to get jobs in primary teaching, and my (albeit older) cousin is going for a headship, so I can certianly empathise on that subject!

    Remember that the government has extended NQT's 'supply allowance' to 5 years becuase 16 months is often not long enough for recently qualified teachers to gain an induction placement.

    I hope my rambling helps! Keep in mind that you are not alone. All the best x x

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    Posted by: MissHoney232 28/01/2012 at 21:49
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    You're right, I know... it's just difficult! It is comforting to know there are so many of us in the same position- as awful as it is for us all :( I have another interview this week, however I have reached the stage where I can't let myself be too hopeful or will feel so much worst when/if it comes to nothing! I will let you all know how I get on. In the mean time, thank you for your words. Kind Regards to all
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    Posted by: stuart dann 29/01/2012 at 00:56
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    As soon as you "know" it's pointless turning up, you're right.
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    Posted by: guiding_star 30/01/2012 at 10:50
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    I just constantly want to cry about it. ALL I want to do is teach - I want to do it so badly it hurts. But I'm stuck in a vicious circle I can't get out of. EVERY SINGLE job I have been interviewed for has gone for someone with an NQT year done or more experience and there is nothing I can do to top that until someone gives me a job. Sometimes I want to just stand and shout from the top of the city hall so everyone can hear how much I want this. I'm FED UP of seeing a post, visiting the school, getting excited about it (you have to if you're going to do an enthusiastic application) and then having my hopes totally dashed. Its so frustrating and it feels like no-one understands my situation at all and their 'helpful' advice is not helpful at all.

     

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