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    Posted by: LaureRichis 28/01/2012 at 15:28
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    I have been working with a small intervention group of year 3 level 2 children on punctuation (full stops, capital letters).

     Has anyone anyone else taught a group like this? I am trying to work out the right approach and what to plan to support the group.

    We have looked at some unpunctuated text as a group and worked together on correctly punctuating it. I have dictated some simple text and the children have put in the punctuation.

    Most of the group are managing to this pretty well but I have a couple of problems:

    Two of the children have a very poor sense of where sentences start and finish. The others in the group do well when they are thinking about punctuation but are not applying it to their writing in class. So should I simply get them writing and then correct punctuation as the children write?

    Any ideas gratefully received as apart from above activities the class teachers have nothing further to suggest!

     

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    Posted by: Greenteaaddict 28/01/2012 at 17:34
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    Why not try this idea

    http://hltastaffroom.blogspot.com/2012/01/letters-and-sounds-apply.html

    I use this with my SEN group. Children correcting their own mistakes is very powerful.

    Another idea is to write lots of sentences at their level (so they can read) and make deliberate mistakes. Leave off a full stop, start with a small letter, put a question mark instead of a full stop etc. Have them on strips so the children have to sort them. They could then write the correct version in their books.

    Children only get a sense of what a sentence is by reading out loud to someone. So practising reading out their writing to you would help.

    You could get them to come up with sentences verbally. Show a picture and ask them to come up with a sentence or give them a word and ask for as many sentences as possible. Practising saying sentences before writing them will help them understand.

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    Posted by: Yogs 28/01/2012 at 18:05
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    I have been running a similar group,but with year four pupils. I do similar activities to you.I turn dictation into a competition by seeing who gets the correct amount of punctuation in their writing and awarding points for each correct piece of punctuation.Also I use a lot of simple examples with deliberate mistakes. In addition, because at my school we use the Alan Peet ' sentence types' I base each session on a sentence type, providing stimulus for them to write about but keeping the focus firmly on their punctuation.
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    Posted by: chocolateworshipper 28/01/2012 at 20:07
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    I don't know whether any of the resources on this website might help: http://www.primaryresources.co.uk/english/englishB7.htm Maybe create a laminated checklist that they can stick in their books too?
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    Posted by: LaureRichis 29/01/2012 at 19:57
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     Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Lots of really useful ideas to try out!Big Smile

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    Posted by: Devonsent 29/01/2012 at 22:07
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    Lots of great practice going on but I'm disappointed that the LSAs are left to plan for 'their' groups. The class teacher is accountable for all of the children in the class and should be planning the intervention groups, at least alongside LSAs.

    Take the question back to teachers too!

     

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    Posted by: Yogs 29/01/2012 at 22:43
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    Devonsent:

    Lots of great practice going on but I'm disappointed that the LSAs are left to plan for 'their' groups. The class teacher is accountable for all of the children in the class and should be planning the intervention groups, at least alongside LSAs.

    Take the question back to teachers too!

     

    I'm pretty sure Laure is a HLTA and I believe it is usual for them to plan for intervention groups? HLTAs at my school are given planning time. I on the other hand am ' only ' a TA, so when asked to plan for a group I politely declined. I plan with my class teacher(in my own time after my paid hours are finished as it's the only time we have). I have feeling there a lot of TAs taking responsibility for a lot more than our meagre wages would suggest we should be !
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    Posted by: chocolateworshipper 30/01/2012 at 13:09
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    I am one such TA ! I am left to plan for all of my intervention groups - 3 different writing groups, 3 different maths groups and 2 different reading comprehension groups. That it why I am so grateful for the TES and other websites where people have loaded resources! I completely agree with you that our wages do not reflect this responsibility.
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    Posted by: Devonsent 30/01/2012 at 16:39
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    HSW10:
    I am one such TA ! I am left to plan for all of my intervention groups - 3 different writing groups, 3 different maths groups and 2 different reading comprehension groups. That it why I am so grateful for the TES and other websites where people have loaded resources! I completely agree with you that our wages do not reflect this responsibility.

    So take that back to your SENCo/SLT and class teachers. As a SENCo, AHT and class teacher, it saddens me to see LSAs tasked with the job of running these groups constantly with little or no support from the class teachers. Why are the class teachers not interested in what is happening with these children? Why are they getting away with simply palming off the SEN children to the LSAs? It's not right. As teachers we are responsible for the progress of all of our children and how we can we do that if we are not differentiating for them ourselves? LSAs are a fantastic asset in primary schools but, in my opinion, are not used effectively enough.

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    Posted by: Greenteaaddict 30/01/2012 at 19:23
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    In my area if you are an HLTA or a level 3 TA you are expected to plan for your groups within your own time. I don't think it is a big ask really. We do in this area get paid for 52 weeks of the year. I would feel quited miffed if a teacher started planning my groups. I know my groups inside out and know what they can and can't do. I also have to deliver the planning. It is so much more difficult to deliver someone else's planning. I always email my planning to the class teacher so they know exactly what their children are doing. I also collect evidence for APP which the teacher uses and finds very useful. I think class teachers are interested but when they have competent TAs working with them who can do the job then why not leave it up to them.
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