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    Posted by: anon875 28/01/2012 at 19:58
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    Hi all, To wish year group do you first introduce tenses in MFL (French/Spanish/German)? And in how much detail do you go? I'm looking at a scheme of work for someone and they don't touch on a tenses until half way through year 8. Is that right? Late? Early? What do you think? What do you do? I've got a dream of year 7s being able to recognise/use present, perfect and near future (French) by the end of the year.
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    Posted by: Lara mfl 05 28/01/2012 at 20:38
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     Depends on how long they've been learning the language. makes sense to start with present tense (though at this point no need to mention which tense at all). Schemes I've worked with generally don't 'touch' on teaching any different tenses before the second year of learning.

    However with the new KS3 integrated approach to learning , the recognition of past/future may just crop up when using authentic texts - but woudn't attemp teaching it before the students have a firm grasp on all persons of the present tense.

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    Posted by: anon875 28/01/2012 at 21:08
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    It's interesting that you mention having a grasp of all persons of the present tense; a german colleague of mine calls the GCSE the "ich-test". (He thinks UK students only learn about talking about themselves up to GCSE). I think the recognition at an early stage is important - some of my GCSE students still have no idea and often confuse "je" and "j'ai"
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    Posted by: Lara mfl 05 28/01/2012 at 22:34
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    the_hawk:
    thinks UK students only learn about talking about themselves up to GCSE
    For the oral they do, but certainly more is needed to achieve on the written, reading and listening. Well at least to achieve good marks!

     

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    Posted by: rosaespanola 29/01/2012 at 11:09
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    We do the present tense in Y7 French, covering regular verbs plus avoir and etre, and at the beginning of Y8 we do faire and aller in the present tense, using the topic of hobbies as a vehicle for this. Once they know aller, we then introduce the future tense because there basically isn't anything new to learn, it's just a case of knowing to put an infinitive after the part of aller in the same way we do in English.

    When we introduce the perfect tense depends on the ability of the group and how well they've grasped the present and future, but it would generally be towards the end of Y8. Usually that would just be regular verbs that take avoir, and then they'd revise it and learn some irregulars and about etre verbs in Y9 when they're confident with the regular verbs. Our pupils start their GCSE options in Y9 and only the higher groups do languages, so the lower ability groups often only learn the perfect tense in terms of set phrases with common verbs rather than learning all the rules for forming it.

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    Posted by: anon874 29/01/2012 at 11:53
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    Interesting.

     

    Our school has a 2 year KS3. Would you speed up introuction of tenses in this case?

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    Posted by: spsmith45 29/01/2012 at 12:33
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     I would hold off on anything but present till half way through Year 8. If you want any mastery at all, then I can assure you that regular present tense endings and some common irregular present tense verbs is plenty to chew on, even for able students.

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    Posted by: rosaespanola 29/01/2012 at 12:34
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     We also have a 2 year KS3, so the outline I described takes this into account.

    I definitely agree with the point above that there's no point moving on to another tense if pupils haven't mastered the first one they've done. In my experience, all that does is confuse them so they can't do ANY tenses correctly!

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    Posted by: OTTER 29/01/2012 at 13:35
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    I apologise now for this pedantic comment, However here goes, surely we all teach 'tenses' from day one.

    The present tense is the most important and certainly, in the languages that I know, the most irregular. It also seems to be the first to be forgotten, as it appears to fall out of student minds as soon as another tense is introduced.

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    Posted by: rosaespanola 29/01/2012 at 14:43
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    There's a world of difference between students learning set phrases (je m'appelle, j'ai ___ ans etc) that happen to be in a particular tense, and them understanding how to form a tense though, don't you agree?

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