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SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE .I say to the Scots: Go for it! If not you will always regret.

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    Posted by: Iderum_Ra 30/01/2012 at 11:19
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    Scotland will now have the only chance in centuries to assert its nationhood. It may never happen again. I say to the Scots: Get off your knees and go for it! For ages you have been kow-towing to a foreign monarchy and foreign govenment. You have been defeated, subjected and subservient. Have some backbone. Have some pride for God's sake!
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    Posted by: grunwald 30/01/2012 at 11:38
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    Iderum_Ra:
    kow-towing to a foreign monarchy and foreign govenment.

    Absolutely!

    (Well, apart from the fact that the union was first and foremost a successful take-over bid by a Scottish king. Oh, and of course, there are/were also all those foreign luminaries at Westminster like Alec Douglas-Home, Macmillan, Robin Cook, Alistair Darling, Malcolm Rifkind, Gordon Brown ...

    mind you, in the case of the latter, Kirkcaldy has always seemed a bit alien ... 
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    Posted by: Iderum_Ra 30/01/2012 at 12:04
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    Grunwald no matter how you try to put a brave face on it and dress it up the stark fact is that SCOTLAND IS NOT AN INDEPENDENT NATION.

    Any nation worth its salt should have its independence. Scotland now has a chance to peacefully assert its nationhood - unlike Ireland, for example, who had to shed its blood for it. While Scotland remains subservient to an English crown it will have no self respect or respect in the eyes of the world.
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    Iderum_Ra:
    While Scotland remains subservient to an English crown it will have no self respect or respect in the eyes of the world

    There hasn't been an English crown for 410 years. A Scotsman is no less a Scotsman because he is a subject of the British crown. We already have nationhood. Every man jack of us from Caithness to Cambuslang shares a common cultural heritage which is totally different to the English, the Belgians or the rest. Whether VAT is administered from London or Edinburgh won't affect our cultural identity as a nation.
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    Posted by: Crowbob 30/01/2012 at 12:44
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    Iderum_Ra:
    been kow-towing to a foreign monarchy

    Salmond has said that they would keep the Queen as HoS.
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    Posted by: Iderum_Ra 30/01/2012 at 13:02
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    grunwald:
    There hasn't been an English crown for 410 years.

    Now come on Grunwald! British equals English in the eyes of England and in the eyes of the world.

    grunwald:
    A Scotsman is no less a Scotsman because he is a subject of the British crown.

    He most certainly is! Otherwise there would be no issue of Scottish independence.
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    Salmond has said that they would keep the Queen as HoS.

    Has he indeed! Well then it's going to be a bigger struggle to get Scotland off its knees than I had imagined.
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    Posted by: ditwee 30/01/2012 at 13:15
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    I , as a British citizen, think that if they really want independence (not devo max - that is not an option), Scotland should go for it. I will oppose any half measures though; you are either in the Union or you are out of it. If you choose Independence then that means no shared citizenship and putting up real borders. You keep what you earn, in Euros. I didn't realise they felt subservient to an English crown what with it being their monarch who took the English throne thus forming the Union in the first place. I resent the idea that the English are busy oppressing the Scottish peoples, depriving them of their rights, opportunities and liberties. I had honestly thought that the mix of cultures was enriching; that Scottish leaders, thinkers and inventors had thrived within the Union. Personally I will be sad at the loss, but there is no way I want them feeling permanently hard-done-by and deprived of their rights.
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    Posted by: grunwald 30/01/2012 at 13:20
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    Iderum_Ra:

    Now come on Grunwald! British equals English in the eyes of England and in the eyes of the world.

    Which may explain the positive reaction we get when the world discovers we aren't English!  Wink

    Iderum_Ra:
    He most certainly is! Otherwise there would be no issue of Scottish independence.

    I'm not sure tribal nationalism will play a big part. Hard-headed Scots will be too canny and will want to do the sums in some detail first, I suspect.
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    Posted by: rihlana 30/01/2012 at 13:21
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    They could opt out of everything, become a tax haven and be filthy rich just like Monaco and Liechtenstein.  Create off-shore tax  paradise and generate gazillions. They could crown their own  monarc (that's if they  change their mind and  want to get rid of the English one) and  become one of these  little countries that have no say in anything but live happily ever after. Sounds not such a bad option. probably they'll be better off without the Euro, too. Print their own little Scottish curency and get on with it - why not? England will certainly not be any  wors off without them, quite the opposite, and  they could keep their  MPs intheir own Parliament instead of infiltrating the English one.
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