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    Posted by: Herringthecat 30/01/2012 at 17:53
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    Hello,
    I am a wannabe MFL teacher and spent the day today in a school watching some lessons.
    I was really surprised to notice when I was helping out with year 9, how little French they could cope with - after nearly two and a half years of the subject.
    There is so much expertise and experience on this forum, I would be really interested to hear what you think might be going on when these kids struggle to translate simple (to my mind) phrases such as 'je voudrais', 'qu'est-ce que c'est' - one girl that I helped also didn't know what 'avec' meant.
    I was reading a thread lower down which suggested that 'subject knowledge' meant understanding how kids learned foreign language, rather than a teacher's understanding and knowledge of the language - so I'm wondering whether my expectations are way out, or there's other stuff going on. It's a mixed ability set in a good comprehensive.
    Your insights would be much valued.
    HTC
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    Posted by: Lara mfl 05 30/01/2012 at 18:33
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     Well, some may be to do with the time allocation.

    We all know submersion in a language leads (usually) to fairly quick absorption, but when lessons are perhaps 2x 3x a week, punctuated by other lessons it's no wonder students struggle to remember from on elesson to the next. As I think it was spsmith said on the discussion about tenses, we need lots of time to re-inforce learning  and constant revisiting. 1/2 hour per day would be more useful than 2/3 x 1 hour lesson a week and in 'fortnighly timetables that may be just 2/3 hours once a fortnight!

    Add into that a general disinterest by many students to learning another language and the hard work outside lessons to do well  .  . . .

     

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    Posted by: delhaye 30/01/2012 at 19:51
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    Unfortunately some students are really lazy and don't care. My motivated Year 7 students will be able to conjugate more verbs correctly in the present tense than Year 10 by the end of June.

    Sometimes, I bring Year 7 students into my Year 10 classes where we have a competition  on present verbs and key high frequency words like (avec, ce n'est pas ou etc). The younger ones put alot of the older students to shame.

    Both sets of students have received the same quality of teaching but the results differ massively, This is because the teacher can only show the path, the kids must decide if they wish to walk down the path.

    If you enter teaching, your most important job is get the students to learn for themselves and want to do it by themselves. If you try and ram knowledge into their heads and they are not interested, you are onto a loser.

    Rousseau once said don't teach children the facts of science, teach them to have a taste for science

    Finally the Year 9 class teacher could be brillant in the school you visited but if the kids don't care, then you are stuffed.








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    Posted by: sam enerve 30/01/2012 at 20:00
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    HTC, I think you must have been in my class today. My year 9 couldn't even complete the most simple of speaking exercises. Couldn't? Couldn't be bothered, more like. They also claimed they didn't know what "d'habitude" meant even though they all used it (when getting level 5) in their recent writing assessment. It is pure apathy.
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    Posted by: kijog 30/01/2012 at 20:13
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    My year 10's (set 4 out of 6 in a comprehensive) don't know what that means! Would echo the comments about the gap between lessons, combined with lack of intrinsic motivation and hard work!
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    Posted by: catmother 30/01/2012 at 20:17
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    sam enerve:
    It is pure apathy.

    How true. Mind you,the pupils are probably exactly the same in other subjects. Can't be bothered and proud to know very little!

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    Posted by: carambar 30/01/2012 at 20:24
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    This might helpBig Smile

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNWvhpwav1c

     

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    Posted by: musiclover1 30/01/2012 at 20:35
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     The human brain retains what it considers important. So those year 9's who consider Qu'est-ce que c'est?' an important part of their existence will remember it. Others won't.  We should have a separate discussion about why year 7 generally like languages, and what can be done to retain that enthusiasm.

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    Posted by: Siegen81to82 30/01/2012 at 20:59
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    Herringthecat:
    Hello,
    I am a wannabe MFL teacher and spent the day today in a school watching some lessons.
    I was really surprised to notice when I was helping out with year 9, how little French they could cope with - after nearly two and a half years of the subject.

    Welcome to the wonderful world harsh reality of the mfl classroom.  I used to have year 11 oiks who would ask me for the French for such words as we, and, in, etc., and my all time favourite do for such phrases as I do not play football.  When I replied that I'd like to hear the full sentence, they would say, "I just want one word."  So you can have an even more frustrating experience after four and a half years of trying to make a silk purse out of sow's ear.

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    Posted by: Siegen81to82 30/01/2012 at 21:04
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    catmother:

    sam enerve:
    It is pure apathy.

    How true. Mind you,the pupils are probably exactly the same in other subjects. Can't be bothered and proud to know very little!

    Now if you'd just make the lessons interesting, they'd want to learn.  You need captivating lessons with engaging activities that enthuse the young learners. Sarcastic

    My own former HT said that five years ago during one of the most mind numblingly boring staff meetings he ever held, and this is an oaf who could get an Olympic gold this summer if boredom were a sport.

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