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    Posted by: Mitch1985 02/02/2012 at 14:51
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    Good afternoon,

    I wonder if any experienced forum members would be kind enough to offer a frazzled GTP student some advice on a subject that is fast becoming the proverbial thorn in one's side (to put it nicely).... Year 9 students with challenging behaviour.

    I am currently training to teach MFL on a GTP training programme in a secondary high school in Kent . As I suspect may be fairly common for some trainee teachers these days, I have been having severe issues with one of my classes and feel that I have unfortunately hit a brick wall with them. Issues in the lessons vary from rude and offensive language (somtimes directed at me but, would you believe, that when picked up on this, they invariably offer the 'I ain't done nuffin, I never said nuffin or summink' standardised response ); to feral and almost pack-like behaviour; to a blatant disregard for classroom rules (that I have tried relentlessly to impose and follow through with consequences for those darlings that find this concept just impossible, bless them) and no comprehension of R-e-s-p-e-c-t for anyone or anything around them (books; tables; classmates; teachers...)

    I can understand that some pupils may find MFL more dfficult and that this can sometimes be a root of their challenging behaviour, but I am trying to teach them in as clear a way as possible, bearing in mind they are studying the GCSE syllabus now. Most of them are capable and fairly intelligent (one pupil in twenty-two is classified with AEN) I have shown my lesson plans to my Subject Mentor, who has said they are well- thought out, with a good level of differentiation and with good, varied and well sequenced tasks that all pupils are capable of (if they are not 'too tired to pick up a pen after playing the Xbox 'til midnight, Miss').

    I have tried seating plans, removing the temptation of distraction. I have tried sanctions (following the school's BM policy) with detentions, letters home, lunchtime catch-up sessions, phone calls home, subject reports........... All to no avail. One 'challenging' student may begin to show signs of encouragement, yet as soon as this happens, another decides that ' Spanish is s**t' and that 'all teachers are **** anyway' etc etc.and the problems are perpetuated.

    I have tried to be firm but fair and feel awful that the 6 hardworking, polite and nice pupils are being held back by the remaining 16 who seem to intent on educational suicide. I have been incredibly patient with them so far but this is beginning to affect me, as my usually chirpy and persevering self is becoming increasingly down beat and resentful. (Perhaps this is partly because I spend hours preparing their lessons, only for half of them to 'c*ss me down' and 'mug me off' - their words, not mine)

    I am not sure what else I can try! The class teacher with whom I share the teaching is having the same problems with the class and although I can appreciate that having two teachers may be incredibly difficult for them to understand, we have worked tirelessly to maintain continuity and try to improve the environment we are having to work in.

    Does anybody have any suggestions that I could maybe try to implement? Any techniques that have even the most 'streetwise' kids with their bums on seats and pens in hand, poised to participate? Or am I asking too much?

    Any advice would be gratefully received. Failing that, a bottle of vodka and a month of snow days should do the trick ;)

    Many thanks in advance

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    Posted by: alexmc484 02/02/2012 at 16:18
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    I don't have any experience of working with secondary students but I can just imagine the difficulty you're having. Something I used with my Primary school pupils in Spain was that if they didnt like the lesson, I asked them to stand up and teach it, and I sat in their seat, not making any comments. They were good enough to listen after that.

    Good luck 

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    Posted by: musiclover1 02/02/2012 at 19:09
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     No, I wouldn't try that! I'm also MFL, and haven't got any magic answers for you, I'm afraid. I think you need to keep trying out different strategies that might work for this group, without taking any failures personally, and without spending disproportionate amounts of time preparing activities which probably won't work. If you have them before break, then a list of activities that they must finish before they're allowed to leave might persuade them to work - or perhaps a treat at the end, such as a clip with a Spanish song from youtube if everyone has completed the work (or even a few minutes of watching a film). You could have a list of (simple) activities on the board (or on a sheet), that way the 6 who want to work can get on with it - without waiting for your explanations. I used to do a short listening activity at the start of each lesson with an impossible year 9 that I once had  - when they were still fresh - that way they at least got to hear the words that they were learning - and then the rest of the lesson didn't require too much teacher input.What topic are you covering?

     

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    Posted by: kittylion 02/02/2012 at 19:59
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    alexmc484:
    Something I used with my Primary school pupils in Spain was that if they didnt like the lesson, I asked them to stand up and teach it, and I sat in their seat, not making any comments.

    Aaaarrgghh - time for a riot!

    OP - feel for you, have been 23+ years in the job and still have classes from hell. Am a bit pushed at the moment but will ponder and come back to you - but you do seem to be doing a lot of the things you should be.

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    Posted by: whacko! 02/02/2012 at 21:11
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     It looks to me like they've realised that they can overwhelm you if enough of them refuse to cooperate.  This is the main problem that needs to be addressed.  I suggest having selected pupils (ringleaders) removed to work in another room with the HoD or senior management for a couple of lessons.  This must be done such that they dislike it more than they dislike your lesson, otherwise it won't work.  On their return, you then hold a more powerful position.

    As others have said, asking a pupil to take the lesson is to be avoided.

    Other issues, such as bad language followed by denials are their attempts to draw you into debate, thereby lowering your status.  In order to overcome this, you need to find a way of dealing with it that is inconvenient for the pupil, can not be debated but causes you no work - e.g. "Johnny, bad language, do it again and it's a lunchtime detention."  Don't await a response, carry on working with another pupil.  If Johnny then goes for the debate, it's: "I'm busy now - I'll speak to you after the lesson/at break/at lunch" (this should shut him up because he doesn't want to be kept back or to lose face about it - ideally, he'll hope you forget), then back to the other pupil - if he continues, ignore if possible; send out if necessary.  Try to avoid debates with pupils about behaviour.

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    Posted by: Mitch1985 02/02/2012 at 21:40
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    Thanks for these great suggestions - they are a tricky bunch! We are still covering quite elementary topics at the moment as unfortunately, this group have been a bit of a handful throughout Key Stage 3 and have therefore fallen quite behind...

    Most recently, we have re-capped introducing ourselves; family and friends; describing physical and emotional characteristics etc...Hopefully once we have gone over this and some of it sinks in (very optimistic!) we can progress to using sentences and opinions to create paragraphs...incredibly basic I am afraid but we have to start somewhere!

     Thanks ever so much for all the suggestions so far... although I think asking them to teach the lesson would be opening a whole can of worms I would rather avoid !!  

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    Posted by: whacko! 03/02/2012 at 08:31
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    Mitch1985:

    ... Most recently, we have re-capped introducing ourselves; family and friends; describing physical and emotional characteristics etc... 

     

     

    That's another factor - if they think they "already know this", they'll see re-doing it as punishment, boring, unfair etc.

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    Posted by: Mitch1985 03/02/2012 at 09:46
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    I can see that this would be a factor for many classes but I am not sure it is the case with this class. Unfortunately, their level of Spanish is so low due to lack of exposure (only 1 hour a fortnight) in KS3 that they haven't really covered anything and cannot actually introduce themselves yet, so their main class teacher had to start with this. Although it is elementary and basic, if they cannot recognise colours and days of the week, I do not think they are quite ready to progress to the more in depth topics required for GCSE level.

    They, mostly, think it is unfair that they have to do Spanish at all as they cannot see any relevance and are annoyed as we used to offer NVQ Spanish in a Business Context, but due to recent reforms, they are now obliged to take the 'harder' GCSE. I can understand that MFL is very challenging and some of them find themselves out of their depth, but it is the 'I can't do it so what's the point?' attitude that prevents them from actually seeing their own improvements.

    Continual praise and encouragement has been given to the students when they make even the smallest step forward, but this becomes incredibly difficult to lavish on certain pupils who are intent on ruining the lessons, tell me to 'f*** off' and generally are making my life a bit too difficult at the moment.

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    Posted by: pepelad 03/02/2012 at 22:23
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    I so echo your sentiments I hate to see someone having such problems especially at the start of their teaching career! I think its time to involve either your HOD or the SLT.  Show them your planing. However by what your saying this is not the problem . What is the behaivour team like at your school if it exists? Try get them involed. At my school we have a white board in the staff room, this is used to place difficult groups that you are teaching and someone  "senior" pops in. I'm trying to give you some ideas as your resolve must be waining. I thought I'd lost it with a bottom set French group Yr 9s however I took them to cook omeletts and turned some of them around. I not sure what else to suggest. Their are quite a few amazing professionals on this forum so this is my 2 pesetas! beat of luck.

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    Posted by: kittylion 04/02/2012 at 09:44
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    Said I'd come back - better late than never lol.

    Loads of good advice from others here and having re-read your original post I agree that it is time for you to ask for involvement from someone either from SLT or HOY as you seem to have been following the procedures laid down by your school.

    Ask if someone could come in, say when you have them before break or lunch and be there when they tidy up the room and to make sure that the worst ones (all of them?) spend some time in lunch/break dt with you (and them if they can stay).

    I assume you do have a seating plan but if your class is anything like my Year 9 horrors they usually sneak into other seats and me being so observant (not) sometimes I don't notice and then there's a battle. Perhaps your seating plan needs tweaking - get someone senior in whilst you do that - I know it's not "the answer" but it's another way of taking ownership of the space and showing them who is in charge.

    Another thing I do (apologies because I've written this before on these forums) is gather "evidence". I have a notebook and pen on my desk - or anywhere where they can't get it. I write the date, the class (in fact one of my classes has a little notebook to itself lol) and what lesson it is at the top. Then when someone does something, I write their name down and I have a series of codes for common misdemeanours - eg

    toot = talking out of turn

    oop = out of place

    twit = talking whilst I'm talking (I like writing this one lol)

    tar = talking across room

    bot = banging on table

    so = shouting out

    and you will think of more of your own. If they do the same thing again I tick it so you can see how many times they do it.

    Then when you have to tell parents or Heads of Year, you can list exactly what sort of behaviours you are objecting to and how often they occurred - it honestly doesn't take long to do once you get into the swing of it.

    If they swear or use inappropriate language I make a great production of writing it down and even checking with other (probably better behaved pupils) that I have got it exactly right - they usually correct me gleefully. At some point the swearer realises and wants to know why I am writing it down and I just answer in vague terms about evidence, Head of Year (or whatever), headteacher. governors etc. OK you won't get all of them, but you might get 7 or 8 and concentrate your attention on them - I usually act on the ones where I have a lot written down rather than on ones who have done one thing and then stopped. It is a very powerful thing to be able to say to parents, HOY etc exactly what Dylan was doing on a certain date, how many times, the fact that he also called John a *** and sang "I'm so sexy".

    Having said that, I do think that it was time that some of these kids were taken out of your class - you should be getting more support than this, especially as their usual teacher is having similar problems.

    Looking at it from the other side, I have often found that some sweets do sweeten them up a bit - I know lots of people disapprove and you might too, but I use them sometimes - "Who can say 6 of these in French - and then hopefully someone nice will do it the first time and you just give them a sweet" "Why has Stephanie got a sweet, that's not fair I want one?" "Well can YOU tell me 6 of these, or finish this worksheet or wordsearch, or write all the English meanings for the words" - you get the idea.

    Another thing I do - which I know you probably do as well - is play bingo. You may just want to do it with pens and paper at first - but give sweets as prizes. I have fixed it so that they can't cheat - PM me if you are interested - and you need a numbered grid of 20 pictures connected with the topic you are doing and they have a grid of 9 numbers (3 rows of 3) - we have one line, two lines and full house - three prizes per game (a prize is just a sweet) - but check out for diabetic children and have stickers or something for them lol.

    There is no one answer to this - but trying different things will show you what works best for you and them. Hope it goes better - don't worry.

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