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    Posted by: Lohman 03/02/2012 at 12:59
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    Hi,

    Just a quick question - do any of you teach all areas of D&T? My school want to introduce a KS3 where all the D&T teachers have 1 group for the whole of the year and instead of the pupils rotating around the teachers - the teachers are to move classrooms and teach all of the areas. This would mean delivering Graphics, RM, Textiles and Food (and presumably electronics although HOD seems to have missed the point that this area should be included!). I think this is for timetabling issues - they want to make it easier for them to do the timetable as this would mean that any of the D&T staff could take any group. The idea came up a couple of years back and was rejected on the basis that we have specialist teachers for each area so we teach to our strengths. Anyway looks like this is definitely going ahead. The argument last time was that teachers would need training up on the machines in RM and teachers not trained properly in food should not be teaching the subject as they are not insured.

    Can anyone thnk of any others reasons for not doing this - or any positive stories for those of you that may do something similar? 

    Thanks

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    Posted by: zglw 03/02/2012 at 14:40
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    I have desp. wanted to do this in my dept.for years. From my understanding....as a D & T Teacher you should be able to cover all areas in KS3 - that was part of your training?!? (although I never did food during my training- our food teacher produced a project booklet that everyone followed)

    We have done it in yr 7 this year and it has worked really well. The first time we have been able to properly monitor and track pupil progress. We are able to take longer with some groups, add extentions with others, Deviate if wanted etc. (although this would only work if you stayed mainly in one room). Although slightly reluctant at first...all my staff have really enjoyed teaching a greater variety.

    We did an audit of what we felt needed to be covered across the year, the best projects and then bought all the resources together in one folder. Staff could then add items as they went along. There is far more sharing of ideas and teaching aids than we have ever had.

    Our only problem now is due to timetable restrictions we are unable to bring it to Yr 8 and 9.

    Problems with it: Moving around rooms is a hassle, Staff that are not confident/not interested in learning a new area (or weak).

    Not sure what specific training is needed for food - Hygiene (?) we havnt done it and was never mentioned by the food HOD. Machine training is only needed if that staff member is going to use the machines - could the technician not prepare the materials in advance? Otherwise organise a one day train all staff together session with someone from the DATA website.

    Hope this is of use....DATA have been trying to encourage this for years.

     

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    Posted by: Christel 03/02/2012 at 17:30
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    Don't get me started...

    jack of all trades masters of none  However:

    Any old teacher can teach food can't they?

    staggered you have not got food hygiene certificates

    contact data- all staff need to do all the training for all material areas for any of you to be 'insured'

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    Posted by: misspixie9 03/02/2012 at 18:25
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    I trained as an RM and Textiles teacher. However, I only ever did one placement of textiles (a single half term), and have never taught it again. I regularly now teach Graphics, Systems/Electronics, and have taught Food too.

     

    Same as any project, you just have to make sure you understand it before you teach it - it takes some prep time, but it's well worth it in the long run :)

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    Posted by: tre cool 04/02/2012 at 06:05
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    Did it for the first time this year. The kids prefer it and I overcame the 'You can cook sir?!' question, as well as the 'You can sew?!' and helped quash stereotyping.

    Yup, it's harder work as you're always seeming to prep rather than running on cruise control after the 3rd time, however, tracking and assessment is much much better. We're teaching kids aren't we? and this seems the best approach to know how to make it better for them...

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    Posted by: golden78 04/02/2012 at 08:09
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      I could see it working upto say Y8, but surely you want speciailist teachers teaching good projects at Y9 so we can attract the students for GCSE. We are already having to fight givernment action on downgrading D&T so why give senior management further amunition that maybe D&T is not a valuble subject as anyone can teach any part of the subject.

    I certainly was not trained in all areas of D&T and at one of the major D&T teaching centres trainee teachers are only expected to do there specialist subject and opt for 1 other. And from my experience of working with a number of trainee teachers as a mentor they don't get a significant amount of time to train in this second subject.

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    Posted by: jillyo 04/02/2012 at 10:04
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     I have had experiance of three types

    teacher rotated with the group - means with single lessons you could be teaching five different subjects in 5 different rooms - absolute nightmare - very frazzelled teachers, more sickness days, some teachers not leaving a room tidy, set up, & at year 10 students weaker in many areas e.g. food students with poor & even wrong knife. Teachers "reluctant to give up more of their own time to learn many more new skills that are needed. Yes you got to know the kids & could more easily track their progress.

    Teachers teaching their own subjects - shorter projects, have to move on even though weaker students may not have finished, not getting to know students, nearly always or always remain in own room, confident, happy, less prep time etc etc etc 

    Joint teaching food & textile teacher joins with RM/Gp/Elec teacher - groups spend 50% time with each, reports/assessmentss done jointly - nightmare for timetable & fitting part time staff in but this was the option I preferred (& once the timetable framework is in place thats it)

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    Posted by: lamaddalena 04/02/2012 at 11:02
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    Yes we have tried it but whilst it may be a better way of tracking progress the overall progress is lower. It stands to reason that if I teach electronics I am only able to teach to SOL not able to stretch the more able in class. I can't see why a circuit isn't working?

    We swop halfway through the year and the students get excited about changing teachers and we don't get to teach a difficult group all year.

    However I think it is good for all teachers to be prepared to teach outside their specialisms. It makes every one more appreciative and helps with timetabling. But you have to have a very supportinve team to spend extra time helping each other..

    I also agree with Christel. I shudder when I hear and see what is happening sometimes in practical lessons.when taken by a none specialist.

    I also think you don't want to pixx off  teachers who are getting high grade work from GCSE students. They'll move on. Especially when equipment is not put back. It all gets very personal.

    Is tracking more important than making progress ?

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    Posted by: whacko! 04/02/2012 at 11:57
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     No, no, no!

     I've taught in both scenarios.  A carousel allows every teacher to focus on their strongest area.  It reduces the chance of a teacher picking favourite pupils for their group.  Teachers with difficult groups only have them for a short period.

    My children have been taught in the "one DT teacher all year" scenario.  I've been very disappointed with one of their teachers (to the point of complaining to the school).

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    Posted by: tre cool 05/02/2012 at 14:48
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    The whole 'I'm not trained in it' argument is silly. Is this real life? A solution can be from any material not just what you're specialised in. We're asking kids to use all materials, why can't the teacher?! It's just a safety net. I've made teachers in my dept do it - good for CPD also. As HOD, I give myself the 'tricky' groups and the other staff pick the others. I want to be seen as being a teacher of Design & Technology, not just a guy who makes stuff from wood. If a solution requires fabrics, I can do it. If it needs a circuit, so be it.... The students - from questionnaires, preferred it and wanted it. DATA also proves it to be true. Most kids don't like the carousel. It shouldn't be 'what are we making in textiles' but just, 'what skills/knowledge are we learning in DT'

    We now only do a DT option called 'DT' and run Product Design - students use whatever materials they deem fit and we have classes of 20 odd at KS4. Loads better, but yes, harder work.

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