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British participation in military action in Syria

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    Okay, time for a new discussion.  The past 72 hours have seen the same old threads recycling on the Opinion forum.

    Britain, France and America are said to be united in their determination not to allow Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to get away with what they believe was a chemical weapons attack on his own people last week.

    The government appears to have decided that diplomatic attempts to influence the Assad regime have failed and that military force is now the only action available.  William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, believes that Britain faces a choice between military strikes against Syria or "allowing tyrants around the world to use chemical weapons with impunity".  In a radio interview today (presumably while following the official line), he refused to rule out bombing Assad regime targets "within days" and states that diplomatic efforts to resolve the crisis had “failed”.

    So - should we add Syria to our recent incursions into countries in the Middle East, or should we butt-out and leave al-Assad to deal with what he calls 'rebel unrest' in his own way?

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    How many should we kill to stop how many being killed?

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    We should, as always, set the moral tone and take a leading role in interfering where we're not wanted. Preferably cowering behind the Americans. Obviously.

    Then, when Assad is overthrown, we can s o d the f u ck off (pardon my French) and leave the rebels to elect a democratic government/run their own corrupt regime. Delete whichever does not apply.

    Should work terrifically well. Just like Afghanistan and Iraq. Jobs for contractors? Mercenaries? We can't lose, can we?

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    The use of chemical weapons formed part of the argument against Saddam Hussein, but Syria's situation is much more confused, with the rebels possibly deploying murderous terror and then blaming it on the Assad regime. No fly-zones are unlikely to prevent chemical warfare (apparently the stuff can be mixed in large trucks) and neither Cameron nor Obama will want boots on the ground. Given the nature of the opposition to Assad with its Al-Qaeda links, I think we might be best to stand well back, however heartless that seems.

    On the other hand, intervention in Libya has produced greater calm, albeit extremely fragile. This journalist has no illusions:

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/gerald-warner-christian-martyrs-forgotten-in-syria-s-ok-corral-1-2438641

     

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    I bekieve that the use of chemical weapons lies within the UN's mandate and until such time as a resolution is specifically raised to deal with this situation, individual nations (or coalitions) should stay out of it.

    Yes I know the security council can, and has been vetoed by other powers but this, maybe, is a decision that needs voting for in the full UN.

    The USA, GB and France should not unilatereally.

    We (they) are not madated to act as the policing bodies

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    Let 'em slug it our and deal with the winner.

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Is that clear enough?

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    The Germans are sitting tight, Merkel has an election soon...

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    The Germans are sitting tight, Merkel has an election soon...

     

    I really misread that badly the first time Embarrassed

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    The Germans are sitting tight, Merkel has an election soon...

    The Germans are hyper-sensitive about marching into other countries ....

    Many Germans were embarrassed by the offer of oil contracts by Gaddafi to themselves, along with the Russians and the Chinese.

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    by the offer of oil contracts by Gaddafi to themselves

    At least they have a conscience unlike Blair who happily flirted with his mate.

    grunwald
    The Germans are hyper-sensitive about marching into other countries ....

     

    Could be that or it could be their dodgy past when entering other countries... 

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    Could be that or it could be their dodgy past when entering other countries...

    Possibly

    The towels on the sunbeds were really annoying

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    The towels on the sunbeds were really annoying

    And the deck chairs on the beach!

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    Adolf swore blind that he had got up very early in the morning and put his towel in Krakow's Main Market Square (Rynek Glowny) before marching in after breakfast.

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    That's not playing by Hove Rules, though. Is it?

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    No. It's an Islamic sectarian struggle and no concern of ours. The brave men of our armed forces should not risk their lives  so that Cameron can take a few Pakistani votes away from Labour.

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    Did we say they could have chemical weapons? Did they ask our permission?

    What d'you mean? Whose permission did WE ask? Well, we don't have to. Do we?

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    One missile at the right time in the right place should resolve this.  Though only if chemical weapons have been used.   Though the difference between chemical and traditional is a moot point as death is death.

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      Though the difference between chemical and traditional is a moot point as death is death.

     

    Chemical. biological and to some extent radiological weapons are weapons of mass destruction.  They differ from traditional weapons because it is very difficult to accurately pin-point a specfic target and avoid collateral damage.  For example if the wind changes you might find your poison gas coming back to haunt you.  In addition they could leave long lasting effects (particularly biological and radiological weapons) on the environment.  

    Both chemical and biological weapons (not sure about radiological) are banned under international law and their use deemed illegal under the Geneva Convention,  although of course not everyone takes notice of this.

    Whilst it might be prudent to stay out of other countries affairs these weapons do not respect borders and thier illegal use must be severely dealt with.   Doing nothing cannot be an option, I just hope direct military action can be avoided.

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    Annoyingly, this is exactly what the UN should be doing. Not Britain, not the US, not France, but the rest of the world combining to stop war crimes being committed when there is strong evidence showing that they are. (this is based on the assumption that inspectors find compelling evidence one way or another)

    It actually sickens me that the UN allows heads of states to carry out war crimes and does not intervene until long after the event, and usually after they have left office.

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