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Visiting staff / Outdoor and Adventurous Activities

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    Following a discussion with a colleague recently, I ws wondering if anyone could shed more light this subject:

    Who is responsible for the visiting staff on an Outdoor and Adventurous Activity, when the providers are using 'remote supervision' with the participants, and have no requirement for the visiting staff to be involved directly?

    An example could be a Duke of Edinburgh Award Expedition, where providers are remotely supervising participants, and a member of visiting staff - who may be a keen hill walker - has expressed an interest in walking up on the mountains and meeting the group/s.

    Another example could be water based, maybe on the river, where a member of staff has expressed an interest in canoeing, but not with the group and, although capable, has no real qualifications or skills awards in that environment.

    The supervisors in both examples would, ideally, be focussed on the participants safety and well being, and planned for this with ratios etc.

    Do schools and colleges have their own guidlines for staff, or is it down to the provider?

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    Please contact your local Outdoor Education Adviser [use Find Adviser] on www.oeap.info

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    When we do DofE we must send at least one member of staff with the group and that person must be competent in the mode of travel used by the group.  This is despite using the council's outdoor ed service for the assessment of the expedition.  I have lead 6th form Gold expeditions and am responsible for the group while we're out although that is also through remote supervision.  I meet them at check points etc, sometimes canoe behind them.  The outdoor ed service is not responsible for me although in reality we tend to work very closely together in terms of planning check points, ferrying between points in minibuses etc or we'll walk together to various points. 

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    Its my understanding that when I am employed by a body such as County Council education department or I am contracted by a school to provide an outdoor educational experience then they fall under the public liability i have as an instructor or my employer would have. This is for anyone who takes part in the activity not just the students i.e. anyone under my instruction or duty of care, this will include any school staff that are there to supervise and take part. This at least has always been my understanding while instructing, luckily i have never had to use the public liability insurance. The same will apply to the remote supervision, the teacher is there in a pastoral capacity as they know the children it is not their job to deliver the programme of the activity that the instructor is being paid to deliver. The instructor is being paid to be responsible for a party from the school this will include the teacher who is there to assist the instructor. Hope this helps
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    Thank's Kritur. I'm thinking that if you're leading the expedition then you'd have to be responsible for the group yourself, and have the necessary skills / quals. If the Council's outdoor ed service are only assessing, they'd have no responsibility for the group. When we (as a provider) deliver an expedition, we have a member of staff from the school on hand for pastoral (and other) support. This could well be on the end of a phone, or wherever the 'position of most usefulness' dictates. The 'grey area' that I'm trying to cover is where an additional (to the above requirement) visiting member of staff wants to take a walk in the mountains or paddle down the river / loch away from myself or away from the group. I say 'grey area' because they wouldn't be part of the expedition plan, they'd be unsupervised, but they would be there because of the expedition - if that makes any sense! Disclaimers aren't really worth the paper they're written on, but I also wouldn't want to deter a member of staff from enjoying themselves.
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