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Temporary to Permanent after 4 years??

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    I've been teaching full-time at a primary school since September 2007 (this is my fourth year) and have been on a temporary contract all this time! I've heard whisperings that after your fourth year teaching in a school, you can be made permanent without reapplying. I'm not sure if this is true or not... Does anyone know?

    Thanks! Nic :)

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    You are absolutely right.   There is a limit to renewal of fixed term or temporary contracts of 4 years.  If your contract has been renewed in this time at least once then you have an automatic entitlement to a permanent contract.   Contact your HT for clarification and your union.

    This is a legal entitlement, not one which an employer can fudge.   You already have the right not to be Unfairly Dismissed and non renewal of a Fixed Term contract is a Dismissal in Law.  After two years you became entitled to a redundancy payment should your contract not have been renewed, but at 4 years you are regarded as Permanent.

    Also contact your LEA for clarification.   You should be issued with a letter confirming your change of contract.

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    Thanks, that's very helpful. I started off on a one-year Fixed Term contract which has been renewed each year. It's been a bit of a pain not knowing where I stand for nigh on 4 years! My HT and SMT seem as confused as me about the legalities of it all so we'll see what teh LEA say... Thanks again :) Nic

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    I have copied a link to the DirectGov site confirming the above.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Understandingyourworkstatus/Fixedtermworkers/DG_175138

     

    How long can an employer keep on renewing a fixed-term contract?

    An employee can be kept on successive fixed-term contracts for a limit of four years. If your contract is renewed after that you become a permanent employee. This is unless the employer can show a good reason why you should stay on a fixed-term contract. Only service from 10 July 2002 is counted towards the four-year limit.

    You can point your HT to this if need be.

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    Can I just clarify... From September 2012 I will be starting my fourth year of 4 temporary fixed-term yearly contracts, renewed each year, same job, same school. Does my contract become permanent if they then renew it at the end of this 4th year, so going into the 5th contract, or does the fact that I will have completed 4 years mean they have to extend it into a permanent contract at the end of that year? Reading the extract above, I'm assuming that if they decided not to renew my contract at the end of the 4th year, then I don't get the permanent contract. Is that right?
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    The contract has to be renewed after 4 years, so you won't be entitled to a permanent post unless you get another contract in September 2013. You are entitled to redundancy if the contract is not renewed. I think the advice given to the OP was wrong; it would be interesting to hear what happened.
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    The advice was not wrong.   Please read the legislation.

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    Unfortunately, even though the advice given above is correct, there is not a lot you can do if your school persists in keeping you on temporary contracts.

    Believe it or not, I have taught at one school for nearly 10 years now on temporary contracts. Over the years I have questioned this and have had a variety of reasons given including temporary funding, falling numbers, operational requirements, change of Head, etc.

    Last year, after consulting my Union on another matter, I asked again, citing the 4 year rule; the school agreed that I should be on a permanent contract but said that it didn't really matter because legally my employment rights etc are exactly the same due to the length of time I have been continuously employed.

    I have given up asking.

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    I have been an Associate Lecture for 3 years now, so have been interested by this 4 year thing; however it seems my college gets round this by not employing ALs over the summer, so you never get 4 years continuous employment. (effectively sacked and re-employed each year). Seems a bit of a loophole in the education sector as of course colleges don't need all the staff over the summer.
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     I'd check that one out with a union. I am an AL for the OU: we are only paid for 9 months of the year, but it is regarded as continuous employment. I don't know if that's something the unions have thrashed out with the OU, or whether it's what has to happen legally.

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    I have been working in a school in Northern Ireland for 6 years and coming up to 4 years unbroken. I have been told that I have the same rights as a permanent teacher even thou I am on a year to year contract.
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