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What is your opinion of IDL? Do you see it as contrived and time wasting in the main? I think it is going to impact on subject specialism and will cause a dilution of Secondary Education. I can see that in some subjects there may be a natural link with other disciplines but I fear that for others the links are so tenuous that I cannot see the value in spending so much time trying to make up meaningful activities just to tick the right boxes for CFE. Am i the only one who thinks this?
flamencodancerWhat is your opinion of IDL? Do you see it as contrived and time wasting in the main? I think it is going to impact on subject specialism and will cause a dilution of Secondary Education.
I assume you mean interdisciplinary learning? What a farce. It's not only going to cause dilution of secondary education, it's already gutted what there was of science education in primary, which has been subsumed into the various "topics" around which we are supposed to structure all our teaching.
Thanks to CfE, science in primary, already underemphasised as far as I've seen in the past six years (compared to Canada) is now pretty much taught on a hit-or-miss basis, with huge gaps in both skills and understanding left for someone else to fill.
As usual, I'm astonished that parents put up with this---how passive and uninformed are Scottish parents, in the name of God?
One of the ill conceived ideas of CFE that all learning has to be "joined up". Why? Because some civil servant in Edinburgh decided it sounds good.
Secondary schools are all about subject specialists - history teachers shouldn't be teaching fractions, science teachers shouldn't be teaching woodworking skills and English teachers shouldn't be going over the periodic table.
Most of the IDL projects are very contrived and a load of sh*te, purely to tick boxes - lets do a topic on Scotland for instance that everybody can write shitty lessons on
I am in total agreement with what all your contributors have said. What a complete waste of a subject specialist's time for such a load of meaningless p---h! My question is : Is there anybody out there who DOES favour IDL in Secondary Schools and if so...WHY?
IDL would be a useful occasional contribution to our pupils' learning if it was thought through properly, resourced adequately and prepared thoroughly. In principle, it would be excellent if adolescent minds many of whom are becoming capable of greater insights and problem solving were exposed to ...
Do I sound convincing? Naw. The IDL I have seen so far has been badly thought out, inadequately resourced and the gaps filled in by hard pressed but inventive teachers.
What would it have taken to have got a few subject experts together from a number of schools and given them a couple of weeks to come up with a decent plan to fit into an actual curriculum and with matrerials which were appropriate and worked with actual kids?
Instead of that, we get 400 secondary schools trying to re-invent the wheel or re-hash old ideas. The Honduras challenge is a case in point. Lots of potential there if class room teachers had been engaged in writing it along with the Institute of Engineers people. As it is, it is a day off normal lessons and fun in many ways but educationally of little lasting value. "Deep learning"? I don't think so.
.....wondered how long it would take to lower the tone
Don't you just love them?
CthulthuMy niece gave us a wonderful example of her content-free education recently. We were preparing an order of service for a funeral, and in designing the booklet and preparing it for the printer, she showed considerable skill (or, as we now have to say, skills). However, when I told her we'd be singing Psalm 127, she typed in "Sam 127". What was significant was her reaction: "How was I to know? I just thought it was someone out the Bible". The Apostle Sam. She's got a 2:1, by the way.
I get your point but I know what a psalm is and how to spell it. I wasn't taught this at school but learned from seeing the word in church. Is knowledge of the components of a religious book that important in an increasingly secular world?
Yes it is because we are all being driven down the route of ignoring the spiritual side of existence. We're not just like the animals, we have higher levels of consciousness and it's very sad to see that deliberately ignored. Even if there is no religious belief on someone's part it's helpful to understand the world you live in, as the case above highlights.
I am not religious myself but I do agree with Delilah0.
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