I'm sure you've been advised to do for this position based on qualities as a teacher - but if I were inexperienced at any level of Guidance or knew little about it, I'd garner some experience and knowledge before I applied for the job. That said, at least you are enquiring. In my school Guidance has been a job for the boys position since day one with scant regard for who was promoted to the position.

 It should not be a PT post. It should be paid at unpromoted level salary. 

morrisseyritual

It should not be a PT post. It should be paid at unpromoted level salary. 

and all staff should be approachable. This post was introduced in 1970 to reward good classroom teachers who could not or would not be promoted staff, (similar rewarding status of idea behind Chartered Teacher scheme, but it was free and not nearly as much work required). In my experience Guidance teachers wear their promoted status like a badge and make sure everyone knows it.

With HWB now being responsiblity for all (like writing and counting ) I think student teachers should have some training in basic emotional literacy (like we all did for Health Education way back).

To the OP - good luck with whatever you decide but bear in mind that done properly, it's a very demanding job and if it's not done properly, you are letting your pupils down. If it's promotion you're after explore what's available but forget the guidance route.

morrisseyritual

 It should not be a PT post. It should be paid at unpromoted level salary. 

 

What makes you say that?  At my school, and others I know of, guidance teachers teach their subjects for just a few periods less than unpromoted teachers.  On top of that, they're responsible for developing PSE lessons and leadership of tutors, as well as the pastoral caseload.  I don't envy their workload and think they deserve their promoted salaries! 

aau03148

I've been asked if i'd be interested in taking up a fixed term post and i'm considering applying.

However, i'd like to know a little more about what the job entails.

Surely there is a job description for this post that you are applying for. Can you arrange to speak to the person currently doing the job.

These things (all things) vary from school to school so find out about the specific post you're interested in.

leadership of tutors. That is funny

its_like_omg

leadership of tutors. That is funny

  Is it? Why? Thats part of their job. If you don't believe they do it effectively that's another matter but it's part of the job they're paid for. 

It should not be a PT post. It should be paid at unpromoted level salary.

halfajack

morrisseyritual

 It should not be a PT post. It should be paid at unpromoted level salary. 

 

What makes you say that?  At my school, and others I know of, guidance teachers teach their subjects for just a few periods less than unpromoted teachers.  On top of that, they're responsible for developing PSE lessons and leadership of tutors, as well as the pastoral caseload.  I don't envy their workload and think they deserve their promoted salaries! 

  Halfajack, You have a very unique experience of PSE/Guidance teachers. I say that it should be a non-promoted post because then it would filter out the egos and more probably attract people who were interested in pastoral development of young people and not their own CVs and bank accounts.I have indeed enountered many effective Guidance teachers in my time. I could count them on one hand.

 

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morrisseyritual

You have a very unique experience of PSE/Guidance teachers. I say that it should be a non-promoted post because then it would filter out the egos and more probably attract people who were interested in pastoral development of young people and not their own CVs and bank accounts.

 

 

What an odd theory.  Why not pay teachers less too? Then you'll only get peope really interested in teaching young people.  No?

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halfajack

morrisseyritual

You have a very unique experience of PSE/Guidance teachers. I say that it should be a non-promoted post because then it would filter out the egos and more probably attract people who were interested in pastoral development of young people and not their own CVs and bank accounts.

 

 

What an odd theory.  Why not pay teachers less too? Then you'll only get peope really interested in teaching young people.  No?

You're missing the fact that Guidance gives you the experience of a promoted post that allows you to apply for SMT jobs without actually having to do a lot of the stuff most promoted posts entail.

airy

You're missing the fact that Guidance gives you the experience of a promoted post that allows you to apply for SMT jobs without actually having to do a lot of the stuff most promoted posts entail.

 

 

What kind of thing does a subject specific PT do that prepares them more for SMT than a Guidance PT? Guidance staff deal with escalated discipline problems as well as more parental contact and leadership of tutors (I know that suggestion was mocked before but that's been part of their remit in my experience). 

I am a "Teacher of Support". I have an almost full subject timetable as well.

 I am responsible for approx. 50 pupils and have responsibilities for writing materials in both subject and PSE. I know that I have a smaller case load that the "real PTGuidance" but I am given the same non-contact time as a teacher, and they "try" not to use me for cover in the odd extra period I have. I do feel that they are taking the micky a bit.

There are some of us doing the job without being promoted, but we  are the mad ones!

Can you tell that I was given a "Please-take" today? Hope the issues can wait till Monday!!!