I'm afraid it is true, £75 a day, whether you have 20 years experience or 2! Loads of peole refusing to take on the work as a consequence, so there appears to be loads o work out there if your willing to do it. it is Scotland wide you get paid for 25 hours, instead of 35 per week, your still expected to do marking and prepartation. you've got half an hour a day non contact for that, paid. do you know you've also got to pay for your PVg / CRB yourself and every council wants one done for them separately !! You get paid more as a admin assistant ! or stacking shelves.

Your "rant" reflects my (and I'm sure others') feelings.

To answer your questions:

You should be paid for 5 hours a day (unless asked to do a half day or something) and this should include half an hour non-contact time (or equivalent if less than a full day). However there have been many cases where people haven't got the non-contact time -some LAs say to add the time on to your timesheet instead- and even of people getting paid for only the contact time if there has been NCCT.

Holiday pay is calculated as a little bit per day and is added up and paid out at holiday times (I'm a little vague on this actually and don't know if it differs between LAs).

This is supposed to be Scotland-wide as it was "negotiated" on a national level, but the implementation does seem to differ and Glasgow famously had/has a "glitch" which meant supply teachers were paid full pay (not sure if for 7 hours though).

gailmacvicar

you've also got to pay for your PVg / CRB yourself

I didn't have to pay for either of mine (two LAs) although that was a year ago so could have changed.

Yip - PVG yourself and then £9 or £18 for each subsequent LA.

Oh well at least the good people at Disclosure Scotland have nothing to worry about. Greed absolute greed.

supply facts: maximum earning if supply for less than 5 continuous days at same school is £12757. Those teachers that voted yes and the EIS for recommending such want to take a deep hard look at themselves. YES £ 12757. 25716/1645 =£15.63 hourly rate. 15.63 x 25 max hours pay per week = £390 per week. 195 days working year - 5 inservice days = 190/7 x 390 = £10585. Holiday pay = 40/195 x 190 = £2172. £10585 + £2172 = £12757. This equals another career. The SNP have made teachers pay for the Scottish budget deficit. England, Wales and Northern Ireland have not changed their teaching conditions of service or pay conditions. If teachers think the pay and conditions is going to go back then as before they are not being realistic. All Scottish Councils set their budget on Thursday, without the £15 million needed to make up the shortfall in their collective budgets how is this going to be funded? The SNP government have already committed their spending until 2013 so it is not going to provide that level of additional funding. Anyone who short term supplies is supporting the abuse of the profession. I know jobs are tight and we all have to earn a crust but you can earn more than this on a check out or in fast food outlets. The EIS clearly sold supply teachers down the river and the SNP abused the general goodwill of teachers.

[edited by: Nosupply at 13:54 (GMT 0) on 7-2-2012]

The EIS leadership were a disgrace in recommending acceptance of these T & C for professional people.

I believe they misled their members e.g. "Vote Yes and get a better deal for supply teachers".

It's time the new Gen Sec spoke out and admitted the "deal" was a mistake and should be revisited.

 Sadly we have to thole this abuse as it is a gateway to proper earnings.  I have been lucky in that contacts made on supply have led to year contracts several times now.  The unspeakables that foisted this upon us know that JSA is £67 and you can be "seeking" for a long time.  If all unions are like the EIS, perhaps Thatcher did not go far enough - hard time is too good for Smith.

 This is a form of constructive dismissal, driving the SNP's "training too many" victims out of the profession.  

There is a time limit, though - I can only survive this exploitation for so long, I would hate to let the 'gqw5q4's win though and intend hanging on as long as possible.

 

 

 The rate for contracts of 'more than 5 days' should pay you at the correct increment, and with the same preparation time as colleagues on substantive contracts.

I'm lucky that my subject is in demand and have only had to work 2 days at the cheap rate this year. There's (understandably) a lot about the situation on this website, as well as a facebook page.

 If you are lucky enough to get work in the same school for longer than 5 consecutive days, then you will be paid the full wage that you are entitled to according to your experience beyond the initial 5 days. 

The issue of supply only being paid for 5 hours has a huge impact on the availability of supply teachers. My council has strongly advised us not to sign up for CPD courses that run during a school day (so we can only attend twilight, evening, and weekend courses), and we have also been urged to come into work despite sickness because they can't find the cover. Our school is constantly shuffling SMT and SfL staff to cover for sick teachers because we can't get supply to come in. 

We were stabbed in the back by the EIS and the members who voted to except the conditions in Scotland - a poor percentage returned the poll and it was passed by a narrow majority .I hope that they are all thoroughly ashamed of themselves, but I doubt it. As for only getting paid for contact time with the children I can spend time with children during breaks and still not get paid. The local authorities know this will happen but do not care. I feel undervalued and resentful of the current situation. Like others I had no choice to pay up for my PVG or I could not work. I love teaching but I hate the way the current situation makes me feel.

Try the SNCT website - it has all the details, including tables of what you earn for the different types of supply/hours worked.   

I have been teaching for over 23 years, the last 12 on supply with some temporary work and never have I felt so demoralised and undervalued. Despite these years of experience I am now paid at the bottom of the salary scale, which other professional body would allow so many detrimental changes to pay and conditions in one fell swoop? This five day rule is a joke because the schools will employ you for 4 days and then switch to another supply teacher to avoid paying at the higher rate. I know of probationers who are finishing their year and then leaving teaching. I am seriously considering this option but at 50 and the sole wage earner in the house after my husband was made redundant 5 years ago ( he is now 56 and unlikely to ever be employed again). So not only are my hours reduced to 25 from 35, I am also paid at the lowest rate, I have no job security and have to apply for working Tax credit to make ends meet, even this is a nightmare because I cannot work out my earnings and will stop receiving it if I work less than 24 hours a week which is often the case. I know of many schools in this rural area who cannot get supply because of the travelling costs and most schools cannot find supply for half days even in the towns. If I am asked to work for an afternoon I get £20 minus petrol for looking after 33 children, if I was a child minder I would get as much with a lot less hassle for looking after one child. I hate the way that we were targeted as easy prey because we all work independently and it is difficult if not impossible to present a united front. This is not what I studied and trained for, this is not a profession any more. I very rarely get a half hour non contact and often turn up to classes that have no work prepared ( another thing I am not paid for). As to the inservice days, I do not get paid for 5 or have the opportunity to attend them all, I am only paid for 2 because I only have a permanent contract for two days with the region, and even this is uncertain. I do not think that anyone who has not done supply appreciates just how demanding a job it is. It is like your first day over and over again, finding the school, how to get into the building, how to use the photocopier, if you are allowed to, even to where the staff room and toilets are let alone the classroom. Then you have a class of anonymous pupils with unknown abilities and educational, social and medical needs. Every school has a different timetable and rules for reading, letter- formation and marking schemes etc,etc.etc. And what will happen to my pension?

It is a national agreement and should be in place nationally so quite worrying for anyone on short term supply.  As you probably know the rate does increase to your payscale grade after the first 5 days, assuming that you are continuing on the same deployment.  It could be possible for local authorities to reduce salaries bills by simply moving people on from one short term contract to another or by rotating people within schools to other deployments.  Immoral but not unheard of.  Educational continuity or rationale doesn't seem to count for much at times. The SNCT has to address the issue urgently as there is already a shortage of supply as it's just not viable for many teachers to work for such poor rates of pay.  Budgets are being used as the excuse by many employers for the erosion of teachers conditions.  The fact that teachers were consulted and actually agreed the proposal is even more worrying and is an indication of a beleaguered workforce.  It may be simpler, less stressful and perhaps more lucrative to find an alternative employer. Sadly lots of potential teachers are doing just that.

I'm in the same boat as so many other Scottish supply teachers - and my phone is not exactly ringing off the hook; no supply at all thus far in 2012. I don't want to leave the profession; it is a vocation and so I will take any supply I can get for the rest of this academic year, but I am applying for work in other countries now as I will have two children at uni to support.

What really depresses me is that I have had to advise my daughter not to bother even applying to do teacher training in Scotland when she finishes her degree this year; she will get no work and no long term career prospects. If she gets a place in England, she will get a bursary as well as tuition fees paid, and will have many more opportunities - oh and even if she does end up doing supply work there, she WILL get paid more than a teaching assistant.

Gobsmacked when this was proposed.

Gobsmackeder when the EIS recommended accepting.

Gobsmackedest when the membership followed lemming-like over the precipice.

Don't they have minds of their own?

Go on. Someone out there tell me this is not what lemmings do!

Anyway, I'm up for a fightback if anyone else is.

The EIS leadership have a lot to answer for. I would say they misled their members.

Remember their website proclaimed "Vote YES and get a better deal for supply teachers."? Yeah, right!

And why did we never get to hear what was said between Eck Salmond and Kay Barnett behind closed doors? They sold out supply members.

But Chalkybear is right - supply staff should fight back and insist on full pay. Don't work for the derisory rate!

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Where's the European Convention of Human Rights when we need them? I'm positive no other professional body would stand for the treatment we have had and take a paycut like we have had imposed on us. After all it seems that any other group of people ie. prisoners, asylum seekers, to name but a few, seem to get more protection from harsh treatment towards them than we do! I'm sure there must be someone out there willing to fight our case cos at the moment it seems as though things are just going to remain the same. I know I have been turning down short term work due to the poor pay for less than 5 days but of course many other teachers can not afford to do this. I hate that the SG, Salmond and all his cronies are totally unaware what they are doing to the Scottish Education system. Don't just train more new teachers when there are fewer and fewer jobs out there for them when they graduate. Why not just pay the experienced teachers out there what they are truly worth! It makes me SO MAD!!

How about we start our own union National Union Scottish Supply Teachers? Supply is now graded less than a classroom assistan! yet with much more responsibility. Sorry Mr Russell, you more than any other Minister, have done more damage to Scottish Education in your short history than can be imagined. Very good teachers who can command a class (a gift most supply teacher's have) is now lost. Anyone want to join/start the NUSST?

[edited by: Nosupply at 8:34 (GMT 0) on 17-2-2012]