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Flood of early retirement and voluntary redundancy supply teachers on the circuit.

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    Where are all the usual supply teachers gone.....? Are you finding that you are loosing out to Teachers who have taken voluntary redundancy or early retirement and are now only working to add to or top up their various incomes? I am now meeting more and more experienced highly qualified teachers on supply having either taken early retirement or voluntary redundancy. In a time when work is scarce and for those who rely on supply as their sole income this is not good news and I fear that those who I used to meet on a regular basis have had to find alternative work to pay the bills. The flooding of the market with ex teachers is now diluting work opportunities for those who need the work the most NQTs and the loyal band of supply teachers that supported those teachers in the past. Where is the loyalty from the Agencies to support those who need the work the most?
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    I beginning to think that many experienced supply teachers have ran out of money and patience, and have called it a day. As you said it is unfair that teachers who have taken early retirement have decided to do supply at the expense of regular supply teachers , but how long will they last? When they see the abuse and disgraceful treatment many supply teachers get from permanent staff, including wannabee teachers support staff and student's, they appreciate the work all supply teachers do and the high level of professionalism we have, to operate day in day out in schools, when there is work.

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     I've been doing supply, by choice, for about 14 years now (gulpSurprised) and in my experience has always noticed a large number of voluntary redundancy or early retirement teachers "doing the rounds".  But then there always used to be plenty of work for everyone and I was often grateful for many pieces of advice and resources they passed my way (still am when it happens).  I also noticed that many decided after a while it wasn't worth the hassle and disappeared off the circuit within a year or so.

     

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    I beginning to think that many experienced supply teachers have ran out of money and patience, and have called it a day.

    I'm in agreement with you there historygrump, whilst I have been fortuant enough to pick up between 2 to 4 days a week  I now have little confidence this will last, recently on days I am not working I trawel the internet looking for other options.  I didn't receive a phone call tonight and as a direct consequence come across what looks like an interesting post with a local wildlife trust which I will be applying for.  The pay is similar to that of a CS but I will be bu**gered if I let a school gain from my experience on the cheap, would rather offer it to a charity.

    I do predict however that schools are setting themselves up for a fall.  I believe that the "unqualified teacher" bubble will burst as more  and more parents/future employers realise the extent of their use.  The CS role is here to stay but in a reduced capacity and public pressure will demand teachers are back covering the majority of absences.  The problem will be the HTs go looking for the army of supply teachers that once existed and wondered where its gone. 

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    les25paul
    I do predict however that schools are setting themselves up for a fall.  I believe that the "unqualified teacher" bubble will burst as more  and more parents/future employers realise the extent of their use.

    Agreed and I forsee all those TAs /CSs, who went on to gain their QTS will be more and more reduced to having to return to their former roles, Schools will love this as they will be acquiring an experience teacher for'cheap', win, win situation for schools. Long term they simply won't undertake the training and children will suffer.

    les25paul
    The CS role is here to stay but in a reduced capacity and public pressure will demand teachers are back covering the majority of absences.  The problem will be the HTs go looking for the army of supply teachers that once existed and wondered whereits gone. 

    That.s MY big worry. Then, what about the need for 'outstanding teaching from 'gifted teachers'?

     

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    There is a lot of rubbish spoken here. When I retired I did not actively seek supply work, several schools approached me to fill their needs for an experienced Maths teacher on long term supply to replace a whole string of inadequate supply teachers who knew little or nothing about the subject. Whilst working at one Middle School another phoned me and asked about my availability. Then another High School asked me to cover their Upper Sixth Mathematics classes from Christmas to the end of the academic year as their HOD had taken up a new post very late in October. In none of these could a CS cope and I was treated superbly by all with whom I came in contact. It was my decision to call time on doing supply, never that of any school.

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    Lucky you!  People like me, in their late fifties and made redundant, have little option but to take their pensions, as at least this is a relaible source of income.  I tried to do so but I was not successful.  I would do supply work, if I could get any.  Cetainly, nobody has been on the phone to me, offering me work.

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    historygrump

    I As you said it is unfair that teachers who have taken early retirement have decided to do supply at the expense of regular supply teachers ,

    Why is it unfair? Many of us have taken early retirement becauses we have  been bullied out of work because of our age. I always intended to carry on working for a few more years but the choice was taken out of my hands. I still need an income and yet retraining at my age is not financially viable. So the best option was to take early retirement and at least have some guaranteed income while doing enough supply to bring it to a living wage. Just because I am older does NOT make me less worthy or needy of a job. I still have a young son to support and an ailing mother. I need an income just as much as any one of you. Not all of us are doing it for "pin money".

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     Today I had a morning of supply and the other supply teacher in the opposite class informed me straight away she was an retired teacher of the school and was doing supply. She said she is doing more for the school than she wanted as she told them she would do supply, then they employed NQT's so she covers their NQT time every day of the week for half a day. Although she was very nice and asked me if I was ok and let her know if I needed any help etc which was nice, I couldn't help being annoyed as she is taking work away from supply teachers like me. I would love a regular job covering NQT time. 

     I don't think you can blame the teacher though, she said she was doing more than she wanted as the school kept asking her to do things. I think schools will always ask retired teachers to do supply as they are known to them, know the kids, know the teachers and know the routine and most of these teachers would be hard pushed to say no. To be honest I wouldn't if I was in her shoes. 

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    historygrump

    I As you said it is unfair that teachers who have taken early retirement have decided to do supply at the expense of regular supply teachers ,

    Why is it unfair? Many of us have taken early retirement becauses we have  been bullied out of work because of our age. I always intended to carry on working for a few more years but the choice was taken out of my hands. I still need an income and yet retraining at my age is not financially viable. So the best option was to take early retirement and at least have some guaranteed income while doing enough supply to bring it to a living wage. Just because I am older does NOT make me less worthy or needy of a job. I still have a young son to support and an ailing mother. I need an income just as much as any one of you. Not all of us are doing it for "pin money".

    More or less the same here.  I'm on the brink because I'm just too young to get at my pension yet too expensive for another post and not getting enough supply to cope financially.

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    There is a lot of rubbish spoken here. When I retired I did not actively seek supply work, several schools approached me to fill their needs for an experienced Maths teacher on long term supply to replace a whole string of inadequate supply teachers who knew little or nothing about the subject. Whilst working at one Middle School another phoned me and asked about my availability. Then another High School asked me to cover their Upper Sixth Mathematics classes from Christmas to the end of the academic year as their HOD had taken up a new post very late in October. In none of these could a CS cope and I was treated superbly by all with whom I came in contact. It was my decision to call time on doing supply, never that of any school.

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................... The original post refers to those known to be actively seeking supply work. It is clear from your post that you were not seeking work as a supply teacher. However, whilst I respectfully, respect your knowledge and experience as a Maths teacher and acknowledge that head hunting direct by schools exist for known ex teachers particularly for long term positions I DO HOWEVER, deplore your need to repeat the scathing remarks relating to 'a string of inadequate supply teachers'. Do I detect a little of the, often talked about 'ingrained institutional snobbery and hierarchy - permanent v supply' which is often prevalent in schools and distinctly apparent when referring to fellow professional teachers who for whatever reason are supply teachers. Why ... your remark about Cover Supervisors .......we all know Cover Supervisors should only supervise any idea that they might even be considered to 'cope' with anything other than that is concerning. I am amazed when Cover Supervisors are given responsibilities beyond their remit and seemed to be praised for it and fully qualified and trained professional teachers on supply are openly ridiculed.
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    OP, I think you are taking your fight to the wrong door. Early retirees etc have been doing supply for years-certainly as long as I can remember in 37 years at the chalkface.

    We all know where the problem of lack of supply lies don't we?

     

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    Go on, tell us dragonlady

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    davidmu

    There is a lot of rubbish spoken here. When I retired I did not actively seek supply work, several schools approached me to fill their needs for an experienced Maths teacher on long term supply to replace a whole string of inadequate supply teachers who knew little or nothing about the subject. Whilst working at one Middle School another phoned me and asked about my availability. Then another High School asked me to cover their Upper Sixth Mathematics classes from Christmas to the end of the academic year as their HOD had taken up a new post very late in October. In none of these could a CS cope and I was treated superbly by all with whom I came in contact. It was my decision to call time on doing supply, never that of any school.

    Well then get off the b***dy bandwagon and retire then. As for talking 'Rubbish' the last supply I did was for KS4 maths and I found no problem at all and I'm a historian.

    If you think that supply teachers are inadiquate get the school to employ someone who knows what they are talking about instead of the cheapest option offered by the agency. You made the choice to get outy of teaching by retiring so why don't you stay out of it?

    If this post is offensive Good!

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    Timberwolf, you are just typical of the poorly educated teacher who cannot hold a job down for long. The first supply was to teach properly after a six week period of successive supply teachers in any subject bar Maths. You are an idiot if you think a History teacher can step in and take Maths and Further Maths to "A" adequately. I cannot believe any Head would consider doing so. I might reconsider my absence from the classroom and take up new offers once again.
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    You are an idiot if you think a History teacher can step in and take Maths and Further Maths to "A" adequately. I cannot believe any Head would consider doing so. I might reconsider my absence from the classroom and take up new offers once again.
    Is there a problem finding supply teachers to teach Further Maths A Level?

    My experience is no one seems to want them - Further Maths A level teachers don't go sick, perhaps?

    My experience is schools want someone to teach the year 8 bottom sets and since they're not likely to listen to a word anyone who's not been in the school longer than they have will ever say, I doubt very much if it matters if the supply is a History graduate, someone with a First in Maths from Oxford or a TA without a GCSE in maths...
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    You are an idiot if you think a History teacher can step in and take Maths and Further Maths to "A" adequately.

    Where exactly does Timberwolf claim he was teaching Maths and Further Maths to gtade "A".  He claims that he was covering KS4 maths but does not state the ability level of the classes he taught.  It could be he was covering lower ability classes where the level of Maths is well within the ability of many non-maths specailists.

    Likewise what reliable evidence do you have to suggest that Timberwolf has never held down a job for long.

    As a Science specalist I have also covered KS4 Maths .  I might not know full details of the schemes of work, have limited resources in this area and agree its best the top sets are left to the experienced Maths teachers but have always found the Maths department more then willing to accomodate this.  

     

    davidmu
    I might reconsider my absence from the classroom and take up new offers once again.

    As someone who claims that fellow professionals they don't know are "idiots" and "poorly educated" its probably best you don't bother and stay at home and post ill informed comments on TES forums

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    " I forsee all those TAs /CSs, who went on to gain their QTS will be more and more reduced to having to return to their former roles"

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    How true. They were conned but didn't they have their heads in the sand? Couldn't they figure out that what was happening?

    Every time a CS on these forums tried to justify their role with "I'm just doing CS to get experience for my GTP, PGCE blah blah-"

    I just wanted to grab them by he scruff of the neck and say you're being conned and you're deluding yourself......

     

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    geffone

    Go on, tell us dragonlady

     

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    I'm a science specialist but I start a job teaching maths part time next week.  I taught mainly KS3 maths last year, with some top sets.  However, I agree that top set KS4 classes are best left to the mathematicians and I'm happy to take the foundation sets.  Am I taking a job away from a maths teacher?  Maybe, but this school is having problems attracting decent maths teachers to cover the sickness absence (it's one of the best schools in the city as well).

    Retired teachers have indeed been at it for years.  I remember my friend's dad retiring from full time teaching when we were in sixth form college, he was 55 and could retire under the "rule of 85" which was still going at the time.  He then got bored rather quickly and started doing a couple of days supply to keep him busy.

    At my mum's school, the deputy head retired two years ago but she still works there three days a week.  No chance of any supply teachers getting in there, plus they use HLTAs to cover any other absence.

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    To revert to my original posting ............ I am aware that there has always been a percentage of retied teachers continuing to teach often in the same school they worked in BUT currently we are meeting more and more teachers who have taken the money and run .... straight into supply through the Agencies, possibly not wanting to do supply in their previous schools for a variety of reason since they were either edged/targeted out through redundancy needs, enticed out with the opportunity to take early retirement or simply taken voluntary redundancy package on offer. Whilst the flood is diluting the opportunities for the regular supply teachers ... they have all been appreciative of the difficult jobs they now do and relate to rather than ridicule their fellow professionals. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Perhaps Davidmu you would benefit from signing on with an Agency where you can experience the true world of supply first hand and for once find some empathy with those fellow professionals................................................... The testing of a good teacher is to thrive and survive as a supply teacher in schools other than the comfort zone you have most probably been working in for a number of years.
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