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I'm hoping someone on here can help me, I've looked at a few websites but they haven't been overly helpful.
I currently work in England in the FE sector (16-18 year olds teaching A-Levels) but would like to qualify for teaching in secondary schools in England too. (At the moment I'm only qualified to teach in FE). I am looking at doing a GTP which is training based in a school which will give me QTS. On one website (general careers one) it says I just need QTS to teach in Scotland but on the GTCS website it says I need to complete a PGDE which I dont really want to do as I'm already teaching and can't really afford to go back to uni.
So...can I complete a GTP in England and use my QTS from that in Scotland?
If I did do a PGDE in England would they accept that in Scotland?
(My degree is from England but I'm guessing that doesnt really matter? I hope not anyway!)
If you are a qualified teacher in England wishing to teach in Scotland you will need to complete a PGDE in your subject here. The PGDE is a higher class of teaching qualification than the PGCE. Apologies about how I have phrased that - brain has died - but I hope you get the jist.
Hi. I've been looking at this and the GTP doesn't count for QTS in Scotland though a PGCE would. Not all degrees are allowed either. You need to look at the GTCS website where it's outlined.
Thanks for the help, that's cleared things up a bit. I didnt look at that page on the GTCS page as it was under registration but thats helped. Thankyou
This is rubbish. The PGCE and PGDE are of the same academic value; the obly difference would be if it is a professional or post-graduate cert. The GTP does not could for registration but the PGCE will do.
I am Scottish but completed my PGCE in England which gave me QTS. However, I didn't complete my NQT year before moving back to Scotland. I applied to the GTCS who provisionally registered me and said I had to complete 270 days service to be fully registered and had 5 years in which to do so. As the job situation in Scotland is dire I found it very difficult to do this and so eventaully moved back to England and completed an NQT year there. I am now fully registered with the GTCS. In conclusion you need QTS and your NQT year completed befoer you can be fully registered with GTSC. Incidentally, the job market for teachers in Scotland is ridiculously competitive and so I would stay in England! Wish I had!
"If you are a qualified teacher in England wishing to teach in Scotland you will need to complete a PGDE in your subject here. The PGDE is a higher class of teaching qualification than the PGCE. Apologies about how I have phrased that - brain has died -"
Your brain certainly has!! What a load of ****. The only difference is that one has "certificate" in the name, the other "diploma". Same as referring to Maths rather than Numeracy. Both qualifications entail 4 years first degree followed by one-year postgrad. I might even go so far as to say that the opposite of your statement might be true, given the dumbing down of some qualifications these days. A subject (and even a primary) PGCE from England used to allow full registration here in Scotland. Wouldn't be surprised to hear they have moved the goalposts, given the mess the curent probation system has created!
I must confess, I'm heartily fed up of Scottish teachers suggesting that English-qualified teachers are less well qualified than their Scottish counterparts. Do they think we're all thickies?? Having experienced both systems, there's no difference at all, apart from the amount of red tape one has to wade through in Scotland to get a job! There are fewer jobs here than in England, and while I wouldn't dare suggest an English person applying for a job in Scotland would be disadvantaged by their nationality..... You only have to look at how many jobs further and further south from the far Highlands are now being advertised in Gaelic. It's very similar to the situation in Wales, with Welsh-speaking schools. (Sorry, I know I'm going to get shot down in flames for this, but it's time it was said)
Stay in England would be my advice!
I've just got full registration having done both my first degree and PGCE in England without any problem other than collating all of the releavnt information. Surely it's only an issue if you have done GTP or Teach First?
Yes, that's a very fair point. The GTCS are a nightmare, but fair! I've only come unstuck because my degree and PGCE were a long time ago and I've been raising kids, so I've no open reference from a current Head. So I've got to go the extra mile to prove I'm eligible to register, even though the GTCE (such as they were) were very happy to take my money and call me a teacher.
It's horses for courses, but irrelevant if you can't even secure a job. Forgive my rudeness please, I'm a tiny bit bitter!
Glad you got sorted so easily, bettyhen, shows it can be done.
It sounds like a nightmare - I was only teaching 0.3 last year so perhaps they might accept you doing some voluntary work as evidence?
I only want a part time job now but have seen nothing within an hour of me. I have got a supply interview lined up in September though.
Thanks for that; I'm also yet to see a job within commuting distance, though we live in hope. I'm going back to England next term to do my Return to Teach course (before they scrap it!), so maybe that would do? Certainly should be sufficient for supply, ffs!
Fingers crossed for Sept.
deleted773I'm heartily fed up of Scottish teachers suggesting that English-qualified teachers are less well qualified than their Scottish counterparts. Do they think we're all thickies??
Hi I have to with you so much. I am not a teacher but is gained quals in England to work within the the Early Years Sector. I was a manager of volunteer settings prior having to move to the Scotland
I my first encounter was told you are not qualified we don't accept the Foundation Degree or your level three quals. 2 years later in Scotland I finally get my quals accredited with the Uni so that I can attend the BA Childhood Practice requirement of (SSSC). To be told even if I pass the degree I have to complete another level 3 the practitioner award. I found the whole expereince frustrating and you feel you will never measure up to your scottish counter parts, I feel which everyway I turn I hit brick ways. That we are considering to move back to England.
I too got 'stuck' with the Scottish system. Having qualified in England with a PGCE RS Secondary qualification, I was initially refused registration with the GTCS for RS Secondary- because my degree was Archaelogy (and although I was qualified to teach RS, they couldn't guarantee my knowledge was to degree level). I can understand why I was initially refused even though my subject knowledge is fine, but it was so stressful thinking I might never teach in Scotland (was moving due to OH's job). It was a horrible time and I ended up appealing the decision, gathering as many references to learning RS in my degree from old uni lecturers who I hadn't spoken to since being a student! In the end they agreed to register me but I had to an Open University course that was a module for a degree. Alot of flaffing but I was so grateful to getting registered that I did the course straight away!
It can be done using the Alternative Route but be prepared to fight your corner!
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