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I have had an offer for an interview with the head and CEO of a Malaysian private school that would like to diversify in to a more international offering. The school mainly follows the Malay curriculum but according by its website they are expanding to include the British curriculum next year.
What sort of things do I need to think about?
Will this sort of opportunity diminish my ability to take on future roles in other international schools?
Will pay and conditions be different to international Schools in Malaysia?
Does Malaysia have decent union provision for teachers?
Any advice would be welcome
Hi, local teaching salaries are 2.5k RM plus lots of perks though like cheap mortgages, car loans, special land purchase etc etc. Also local teachers make money from "tuition" and many have other businesses. Expats need 5k a month for the work permit - allowing for perks prob the same. Int schools pay approx 12k+ for classroom teachers which is a lower/middle middle class salary (its actually quite expensive in Malaysia to live). In persepective a Mamak restaurant owner will earn 25k a month and a heart surgeon 180k per month! (private). So in the pecking order about same as UK ie lower middel class lifestyle.
Unions - not in Malaysia for expats! For locals not really either
My experience teaching in Thailand (I worked in Malaysia but in another career - I was involved with some educational projects and knew some teachers both local and expat) is that local private schools pay 50-60% of full international schools. Management are far worse and facilities pretty bare. however it's fun way to get to know the culture. Malaysia will be similiar.
Food is cheap in malaysia, housing so so to eye wateringly expensive at times, nightlife twice that of thailand and cars SUPER expensive. You will need a car. Maybe get one (a Proton) as part of package if salary offer low?
I heard mixed reviews from expat teachers about conditions..... having had issues in business over there I can well believe it.
as for the future? a friend (QTS) worked in a private local Thai school and used that erference to get a fantastic proper job in Singapore. So on that sample of one yes ok!
nemo. Int schools pay approx 12k+ for classroom teachers which is a lower/middle middle class salary
nemo.I worked in Malaysia but in another career
Clearly this is why you haven't a clue about what you're talking about. Most of what you say is either stupid or plain wrong..
nemo.actually quite expensive in Malaysia to live
I presume you were in Mont Kiera or damasara heights and never walked beyond which has given you a warped view of the country.
If you can find anywhere in the UK you can get a 3 bed condo with gym, swimming pool & 24 hr security for less than £350 a month, do let me know. I'd say that was very cheap rather than so-so.
nemo.Quote dissapeared.... Mistermaker the troll that is
Far from trolling, I'm simply taking apart you misrepresentationof Malaysia - as I said, you may have lived here for a short time before, butyou seem to have confined yourself to the expat areas. I guess some folk justcan't take criticism, no matter how light the breeze of distain.
Living in Malaysia can be very cheap whilst enjoying yourself. The only thing I agree with you in part is about cars; imports are very expensive, about 3 to 5 times what you pay in the UK. However, the local cars are cheap and the quality is getting better - if all you want is a basic run around to the shops and back a little Perodua starts from £4000. It is possible to rent cars here for £200 a month!
Accommodation can be very cheap, outside the overpriced world of the Heights, and similar, where rental starts at £800 a month for a shoe box and goes sharply up from there - hence the need for higher salaries for those working in the well established schools in those areas.
If you live in the established expat areas then 12000 won't get you much by way of a good life. However, if you knew anything about salaries here you'd know that 12,000 is not an accurate figure. Salaries vary from 5000 to 15000. Outside the expat areas schools pay less as it costs much less to live. I usually spend less than 1500 a month plus accommodation. I enjoy my life here and eat (and drink) well, enjoying a social life which is mostly with locals. Having lived in Thailand and Malaysia I'd say Malaysia is slightly cheaper nowadays for nightlife. Of course, it depends where you go and what you do. One method I use to gauge price difference is the McDonalds test (not saying it's perfect, just a rough measure) and it's cheaper here than inThailand (and about 1/3 of the cost of the UK)
So, Nemo, put your head above the water for a while and try to get to know the real Malaysia. It's a wonderful place where teachers can enjoy themselves even on very low salaries. That is if N (sounds like Texas) offer you a job. I've some of the Board and they seem decent folk.
groovybobI have had an offer for an interview with the head and CEO of a Malaysian private school that would like to diversify in to a more international offering. The school mainly follows the Malay curriculum but according by its website they are expanding to include the British curriculum next year.
Lots of schools are opening international sections here.
groovybobWill this sort of opportunity diminish my ability to take on future roles in other international schools?
groovybobWill pay and conditions be different to international Schools in Malaysia?
Whether private or international the salary from school to school varies - cost of living is very low here, so even the cheaper schools can offer a decent life experience.
groovybobDoes Malaysia have decent union provision for teachers?
Guessing you've never worked overseas before. No unions. However, the law seems to be more effective here and so contracts can be taken at face value - for comparison , most contracts in many places outside Europe (and perhaps even inside europe if Spanish schools are considered) aren't worth the paper they're written on.
Turn up to interview and treat it like any normal school. You haven't said what post / level you're applying for.
thanks for the info MM,
I was wondering if the National Union of the Teaching Profession
is for non nationals as well as malaysians.
groovybobfor non nationals as well as malaysians
Seriously, don't think about going overseas if union membership is an important consideration. You have to stand on your own two feet when you're an expat teacher; sometimes it works out well, sometimes it doesn't and you simply deal with it and move on.
nemo.A unionised bank clerk with 10 years experience (not a management job) in a good bank earns 12k rm per month.
Hi, I have been offered a job in an international school in KL, which has a particularly fair view. I have been offered a sallary of 5500 ringgits per month. But did not know whether this was hugely below average and how far it will get me. Accommodation is included.
I also have read on the contract that you are liable to reimberse the school should you decide to terminate the contract before the end of the 2 years, what exactly does this mean? Is it just for courses and things?
Still looking forward to it but just a few last minute doubts.
MisterMakerOf course, it depends where you go and what you do. One method I use to gauge price difference is the McDonalds test (not saying it's perfect, just a rough measure) and it's cheaper here than inThailand (and about 1/3 of the cost of the UK)
Thailand (and about 1/3 of the cost of the UK)
Funny, I also use Old Mac as a bit of a guide, despite rarely using the place.
In Indonesia the prices are astronomical, almost on a par with the UK and the food is worse! Makes me wonder how they get away with it, whilst also confirming the growing wealth of the 'middle' class.
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